Why is M Jaina so mistuned?

[styil]

What is the point of time gating world first guilds for an entire week with an artificial difficulty of numbers tuning?

These are the best players in the world and should be able to clear these raids in the first week. Their skill levels are so superior that they should be able to overcome any obstacles in the first week. How does it make any sense that a guild like Method would need at least 1 week to kill 1 boss?

M Jaina's tuning has been incredibly disappointing and I hope that we don't see a repeat in the M Azshara encounter.

[horbindr]

isn't this exactly what those guilds want? an insane test?

i think if youd ask them theyd say they would rather it is overtuned than undertuned, as long as it doesn't take more then 3 weeks total.

[mrgreenthump]

So half of the community is saying the raid too easy overall and others saying Jaina is too hard.. Hmm. Jaina isn't that much different than other end bosses in the past. I mean it IS killable right now. Method was a few percentage away yesterday.

[styil]

isn't this exactly what those guilds want? an insane test?

i think if youd ask them theyd say they would rather it is overtuned than undertuned, as long as it doesn't take more then 3 weeks total.

I don't think farming heroics and dungeons for half the week instead of actually progressing because of such a mistuned encounter really qualifies as "an insane test".

[vashe9]

Huh, why would YOU care ? HC guilds want hardcore challenges and you're obviously not in one of those guilds
Most people wont even see Jaina heroic...

A raid that gets cleaned in one week is pretty pathetic imo. I'm all for overtuned fights for everyone (in MM) for like 1 month but it wont happen. First boss in MM was a JOKE even for my guild...

[horbindr]

I don't think farming heroics and dungeons for half the week instead of actually progressing because of such a mistuned encounter really qualifies as "an insane test".

what do you mean, everytime ive checked the method stream this week they have been raiding. including right now.

[styil]

Huh, why would YOU care ? HC guilds want hardcore challenges and you're obviously not in one of those guilds
Most people whont even see Jaina heroic...

Because we are spectators of the race. It's disappointing watching them grind gear half the time instead of actually progressing simply because of how overtuned the encounter is.

[horbindr]

heck their best try right now is 9.9%? and they still have a whole day of raiding left. they might just make it within the week.

[kizzor]

Huh, why would YOU care ? HC guilds want hardcore challenges and you're obviously not in one of those guilds
Most people wont even see Jaina heroic...

A raid that gets cleaned in one week is pretty pathetic imo. I'm all for overtuned fights for everyone (in MM) for like 1 month but it wont happen. First boss in MM was a JOKE even for my guild...

What is MM?

[RomanceDawn]

What is the point of time gating world first guilds for an entire week with an artificial difficulty of numbers tuning?

These are the best players in the world and should be able to clear these raids in the first week. Their skill levels are so superior that they should be able to overcome any obstacles in the first week. How does it make any sense that a guild like Method would need at least 1 week to kill 1 boss?

M Jaina's tuning has been incredibly disappointing and I hope that we don't see a repeat in the M Azshara encounter.

A bit over 300 wipes and almost down is not that long, if anything it’s disappointing how fast the rest of the bosses fell

[vashe9]

What is MM?

Mythic mode...

[gushDH]

Friendly reminder, while Jaina is currently at around 320 wipes from Method, Kil'Jaeden took them 600+ attempts for a kill.

More on topic, it doesn't matter how many attempts it takes for these guilds to finish this. Especially for Method, the longer, the better. Because they make money from this event, and the longer it lasts, the more money they will make. But still, it's really their choice. They are undergeared (as it has always been the case). That's what it take to be World First. You don't just get that prestige out of nothing. And, to be honest, it's one of the easiest world first achievements, compared to anything else that's first in the world (take olympic weight lifting world records etc.). They shouldn't be able to just breeze through it just because they are the best. It should be difficult for them, otherwise it would be too easy when more gear comes in.

[vashe9]

Because we are spectators of the race. It's disappointing watching them grind gear half the time instead of actually progressing simply because of how overtuned the encounter is.

So youre obviously new to wow.

Ragnaros ? Go farm that RF stuff
AQ ? Go farm maraudon...
ICC LK 25hm ? farm normal mode, 10 hm and previous bosses before wasting your limited tries in P1

Do I have to continue ?


Its A GIVEN that farming stuff to beat bosses is the core of the game even for method

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Because we are spectators of the race. It's disappointing watching them grind gear half the time instead of actually progressing simply because of how overtuned the encounter is.

YOU are spectator, most players dont care, only elitist wanabee (who suck at the game most of the time)
"Method is clearing the raid in one week" "the game is too easy"
"method is not clearing the raid in one week" "the game is too hard"...

[Natureseer]

What is the point of time gating world first guilds for an entire week with an artificial difficulty of numbers tuning?

These are the best players in the world and should be able to clear these raids in the first week. Their skill levels are so superior that they should be able to overcome any obstacles in the first week. How does it make any sense that a guild like Method would need at least 1 week to kill 1 boss?

M Jaina's tuning has been incredibly disappointing and I hope that we don't see a repeat in the M Azshara encounter.

jaina is not "mistuned" you just seem to misunderstand. blizzard can tune the difficulty of their raid bosses however they choose.

[Gaidax]

The shit you on OP? Method already had 9%, that's 4% to go. With this reset it will be done.

If anything it's impeccably tuned. If it was some frikkin' 35% after a week, I'd say that probably it's too much, but it's not that.

[Vladinator]

What is MM?

This is the table I have for myself as there are odd regional differences to the standard N/H/M difficulties:

unsure the origin of this one
NM normal mode
HM heroic mode
MM mythic mode

I think this is german related or some weird EU realm that started this trend
NHC non-heroic
HC heroic
M mythic I guess though the "NHC" is probably pre-mythic era

[slime]

What is the point of time gating world first guilds for an entire week with an artificial difficulty of numbers tuning?

These are the best players in the world and should be able to clear these raids in the first week. Their skill levels are so superior that they should be able to overcome any obstacles in the first week. How does it make any sense that a guild like Method would need at least 1 week to kill 1 boss?

M Jaina's tuning has been incredibly disappointing and I hope that we don't see a repeat in the M Azshara encounter.

I think you got this backwards. This boss is tuned just right - it was the other 8 that were mistuned.
But people have to get their fake confidence somewhere.

[ydraw]

So anything that requires gearing up, even for 1 week, is "overtuned" now?

[therealbowser]

This is the table I have for myself as there are odd regional differences to the standard N/H/M difficulties:

unsure the origin of this one
NM normal mode
HM heroic mode
MM mythic mode

I think this is german related or some weird EU realm that started this trend
NHC non-heroic
HC heroic
M mythic I guess though the "NHC" is probably pre-mythic era

If they are using MM for mythic mode, it implies that M would get confused with something else. I wonder if it's a language thing? Or maybe they are just used to calling it '~ mode'.

@styil:

Either way, on topic, if a raid gets cleared in the first week, I'd call that raid a failure. I'm sorry you happen to be bored by this; if that's the case I recommend taking a break from the game for a week and watching the results instead.

[Trumpcat]

The only thing that is incredibly disappointing to me is people who complain the race for world first is too hard.