There is no retcon anymore.

[Saltysquidoon]

11/10! Thank you papa actiblizzard please hire more top tier writers to help with your writing and consistency issues, who retcon their one work after one expansion.

On the plus side now when I blindly defend blizzard from someone pointing out something stupid they did again that could easily have been avoided by caring/the slightest bit of planning I can never be wrong.

[roahn the warlock]

Is no one going to discuss, that in previously established lore even as recent as Cata, maybe MoP, the Shadowlands was similar to the Emerald Dream. Whereas the dream is Azeroth in a natural state, the Shadowlands was Azeroth but shrouded in shadows. Wraiths, and the dead wandered there. It was also where the Acherus Deathchargers came from.

This game is also 15 years old. Name another game that's that old. Course shit is gonna be retconned. It's like Dr.Who at this point, changes on a dime.

[scelero]

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW.

Look it up. Study it. Also, be careful of the flat earthers in your search.

The emerald dream is not even close to the same concept.

But yes. Everything you gain as knowledge will effect your past once you run it through the knowledge you've gain, to gain a new perspective.

That, or you actually listen to your warcheif's words and trust her. You're only gaining retrospect through your eyes. She's living in the present moment.

[Skirdus]

I mean, all it really establishes is that they can introduce new lore that Chronicle doesn't establish because it was written years ago.

Did you really want them to rely only on lore they established in 2016 for the rest of the Warcraft franchise's lifespan?

[Mehrunes]

Well, no, that would apply only to Chronicles. There's still plenty of non-Chronicles material for them to retcon. Like, I dunno, characters' own internal dialogue from the novels.

[Skirdus]

It feels extremely bizarre that the monochrome logo for Shadowlands is seemingly designed around the corpse run realm you go to when you die - which was originally defined as the Shadowlands - but is now apparently the spirit healers keeping us from the actual Shadowlands, which is an entirely separate plane that looks nothing like Azeroth?

So what does that make the corpse run plane, then? The Not Shadowlands?

[Saltysquidoon]

We just didn't know the full story, come on bro Blizzard is a small indie company, just turn your brain off bro, where did they ever actually say what they said was the only part of what they said they said, it's canon from the titans PoV, If you complain about mistakes they'll never be able to expand the lore, please let me justify my sunk cost fallacy.

Pick any option.

[Combatbutler]

Well, no, that would apply only to Chronicles. There's still plenty of non-Chronicles material for them to retcon. Like, I dunno, characters' own internal dialogue from the novels.

Sylvanas is in 6d chess territory now without a doubt.

[Feanoro]

"Silly lore plebs, you actually thought we'd release a definitive, final answer set of books, thereby preventing us from selling more later, and retconning at will?"

[tristannarutofan]

expanding lore isnt a retcon. few ppl knew anything about the shadowlands because people dont come back from the dead.

the reasonable thing would be to assume what Mortals, who have no idea what the afterlife is, refer to the shadowlands as that ethereal state of azeroth where ghosts live.

and that souls pass from THERE to the REAL shadowlands

Its the difference between "gamer"(a person who plays games, like Halo or Solitaire) and "Gamer"(someone who sees their primary identity as a competative exploritive fun loving rage fueled nerd)

its the Shadowlands

its literally "the land of shadow"

any place thats dark could be called that

[Mehrunes]

I mean, all it really establishes is that they can introduce new lore that Chronicle doesn't establish because it was written years ago.

Did you really want them to rely only on lore they established in 2016 for the rest of the Warcraft franchise's lifespan?

Except that's not all it really establishes. It also establishes that the Chronicles are tainted by an unreliable narrator, giving Blizzard an excuse whenever they contradict something that was written in them. You know, kinda the actual point of this thread. That has absolutely nothing with the idea that they can't introduce new lore. Literally no one said anything even resembling that.

Sylvanas is in 6d chess territory now without a doubt.

She broke 5th wall and is deceiving even the writers. But if she's not going to get a lol-redemption, she will still manage to lose!

[Combatbutler]

"Silly lore plebs, you actually thought we'd release a definitive, final answer set of books, thereby preventing us from selling more later, and retconning at will?"

Oh it was bound to happen, but they have the gall to say the whole thing is from the Titans perspective, now that is almost insulting.

[Nadiru]

It feels extremely bizarre that the monochrome logo for Shadowlands is seemingly designed around the corpse run realm you go to when you die - which was originally defined as the Shadowlands - but is now apparently the spirit healers keeping us from the actual Shadowlands, which is an entirely separate plane that looks nothing like Azeroth?

So what does that make the corpse run plane, then? The Not Shadowlands?

It makes corpse running the entry hall to the Shadowlands.

[Theoris]

At least the artwork in the books was nice.

Seriously though, I don't have a huge issue with retcons, but that is a pretty weak excuse.

[Mehrunes]

Oh it was bound to happen, but they have the gall to say the whole thing is from the Titans perspective, now that is almost insulting.

I really like the Titans' perspective on the events happening on Draenor long after Sargeras sliced their asses though. What a deep look on things. It's almost as if they were not there.

[DemonHunter18]

"Silly lore plebs, you actually thought we'd release a definitive, final answer set of books, thereby preventing us from selling more later, and retconning at will?"

https://twitter.com/MickyNeilson/sta...67482059038720

I'm dying out of laughter.

[Kohtra]

They would be idiots not to give themselves an escape route for ensuring they could add content without being forced into a lore straight jacket.

[Combatbutler]

I really like the Titans' perspective on the events happening on Draenor long after Sargeras sliced their asses though. What a deep look on things. It's almost as if they were not there.

Or the very first pages describing the universe before they were actually born XD

[MrSaggins]

That’s fairly common practice in any huge IP to always tell your story from certain points of view so that they can be questioned and flawed. Elder Scrolls books in game are written by bias characters covering the same topics with conflicting points of view. The Game of Thrones books are all POV with many of the supplementary written by Maesters. I’ve always found it immersing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

[Goldielocks]

Imagine selling a book on the basis that it’s going to provide concise lore and now that’s not even what it is anymore.

I feel bad for everyone who bought it lmao