Ice lance, flurry, frozen orb, ray of frost, ebonbolt? Plus proc effects like brain freeze and fingers of frost. I didn't claim it was a difficult spec (very few are) but if you actually utilise all your abilities its got plenty of buttons to press and a decent amount of interplay between them with the procs to burst out some extra damage when you need to.
Its a matter of perspective. I mainly solo so I find the playstyle of blinking, freezing, slowing, and getting my procs up to be much more fun than just standing in one place like a turret and either hoping that the mob runs out of health before I do or just slapping on a shield every few seconds.
Well I mean a decent proportion of your DPS comes from your pet (more than elemental), then you spam shadowbolt, hand of guldan when shards about to cap, dread-stalkers when proc, demon bolt when proc, and like I said you don't have to worry about interrupts. You don't get punished for not spending demonbolt stacks either because they stack above 2 (unlike FoF ice lance, a major source of your dps!), and your main source of dps (glacial spike) isnt dependant on RNG brain-freeze proc.
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Still doesn't change the fact that the frostbolst spam of frost makes it the easiest class in the game and demo is well beyond that when it comes to complexity. Not sure why you're trying to argue that forst is anything but utterly simplistic here? The spec and class as a whole could do with a lot of added abilities and synergies.
Now that goes for pretty much any spec as they are all way too simple these days but frost really is too simple and quite litteraly boring right now.
I'm not saying that frost isn't simple, I'm saying that Demo is at the very least on par, if not easier
SS, HoG, Shadowbolt, Dreadstalks, Demonbolt, implosion (6)
Ebon bolt, Glacial Spike, frostbolt, ice lance, flurry, frozen orb, (6)
Frost mage has more interplay (not that its much) between abilities than demo does:
Only using GS with mind freeze/cleave
perhaps savign EB to force a brain freeze
flurry effect on ice lance.
Demo has none of that, the maximum you might have to think of is it worth using implosion otherwise if its up press it and don't cap shards.
You completely ignore setting up for demonic commander, which is a big part of overall dps. Its not rocket science, but you need to plan ahead to make sure you empower felhunters, at least two sets of imps and hopefuly felguard if its synced. Better planning can get you more. Aoe also has afl fair bit of nuance (do you explode two sets of imps for less gcd, or explode it quick cuzz you need dmg fast? Do you empower for easy 5 shards due to trait or save for two imp sets for massive aoe? Bilescourge bombera are great, but eat into your impcount, which has reprecussions, and there's more). Again, nothing compared to mop demo, but its much harder than frost's "blizzard on cd, orb on cd, icelance when it lights up, ignore icelance if fully glacial spike meme build".
I like certain aspects of the classes, but I think the are far from the best they have been in the past.
The majority of people who say the game is good/classes are fun are usually just LFR heros/Elite WQ doers. In other words, they have absolutely no base and shouldn't talk about classes/the game, they don't play it.
You've misunderstood my post, and quite possibly the entire thread. That's okay.
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You just described the majority of the playerbase. Should Blizzard only listen to the minority that raids?
Lmao.
Looks like you've made a similar post in another thread. You seem salty. Ironic that you're 4/8M and talks about how casuals shouldn't talk and dont play the game.
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i mean i enjoy my demonhunter. but does that count? ;(
Harsh truth? Yes.
The people that are happy with current class design are likely going to be happy with whatever you implement, because they simply don't understand enough to care about class design. They log in for 45 mins a week, do some WQs and xmog farming, and go about their lives. It is the majority of the playerbase, you're right, but they're also by far the easiest portion of the playerbase to please.
You should absolutely listen to your more experienced, hardcore players. Those are the ones who will actually leave if the designs are bad... like in BfA.
The problem is that in PVP almost every spell is useful (only exceptions being flavor spells like Eye of the beast etc). To be considered good at PVP you had to use your whole toolkit, not just your boss or AoE rotation. And it was a lot of fun. The best example is WotLK mage that had to use every single spell from every school to be good at PVP. You didn't need to be correct spec, as a frost mage you used fireball for its dot, fire blast for that instant dmg, arcane explosion for antoher instant aoe dmg, arcane blast for its huge dmg while baiting kick, arcane missiles for enemies running behind a pillar. And I could go on and on with every class and spec there is.
With the pruning they completely removed this kind of depth from PVP and now everyone is a dps bot with builder-spender rotation waiting for a kick or CC. If you land it correctly, you pop your offensive cd, if you screw up, you pop your defensive cd. That's the gameplay of every class in BFA. Almost no skill involved, no depth, just brainless rotations.
For people defending BFA classes in this thread: watch this video and tell me how BFA classes are fun and interesting and require skill.
Dfuck? you have no fukken clue how complex is demo lock if you compare it with medium complexity mage.
First off
The easiest specs in game are: ret pala, bm hunter, fury warr in that order. Nothing comes close
Mage is medium complexity
Demo lock is upper medium simply because demonic consumption mechanic is harder than any mechanic mage has.
Unfortunately PvP isn't what they balance and design the game around though
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Lol. You can literally stop pressing buttons as a demo lock for seconds at a time and your dps will not suffer a huge impact. A frost mage's dps will be hugely affected if they stop casting (even for a couple seconds) or don't use procs (and they have more) at the right time and in union with their other abilities (only 2 stacks for FF cap, glacial spike, 1 stack brain freeze cap, and ebon bolt).
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