So, the pleasure palace?

[matrix123mko]

Yes, under the guide of Comrade Magister Umbric the Alliance successfully punished the goblin and wrecked that vile palace.

Umbric always seems so unnatural.

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Pretty much. People just don't like change.

Correction, those who only like characters that cause agro being removed from the story don't like change. A leader that doesn't treat their people like their property to use and abuse, what a novel idea!? :O

I liked Gallywix. I love asshole characters.

[Nerovar]

The pleasure palace will be the new Night Elf capital.

[matrix123mko]

Gazlowe is an anti goblin by personality and not even part of the bilgewater. The horde council iniated a hostile takeover by a foreign corporation aka cartel. STATE sanctioned economy. Can't get more anti goblin philosophy than that.

Gazlowe's tactique is that by being nice he can make his employees love him. They are indeed quite passionate and productive because they would not want to work for Gallywix. Of course, it lowers his profit per employee but he can steal goblins from other cartels by that. He dominates the market this way but he also reduces profits for all cartels.

[Maljinwo]

Gazlowe is an anti goblin by personality and not even part of the bilgewater. The horde council iniated a hostile takeover by a foreign corporation aka cartel. STATE sanctioned economy. Can't get more anti goblin philosophy than that.

Goblins' philosophy is earning money.
Gazlowe gives pays them more than Gallywix, that's all they need.

Also, how is Gazlowe "anti goblin"? Let me guess, because he actually pays his people instead of trying to scam them and cares for them?

[Edlarel]

Gallywix 2020!

No thanks, 4ish years was enough!

[Daronokk]

After sylvanas abandoned it, he went after her to ghostlands along with nathanos. Thrall and the other horde leaders asked if gazlowe be interesting in stepping up and taking lead of the bilgewater cartel.

(Which despite naysayers makes fine sense seen as how hes been a much bigger influence on the hordes technological growth the galliwix ever was)

Both are nothing in terms of technological growth compared to Blackfuse.

[Lochton]

So galliwix is gone from the horde, why he thought there was more profit in staying with a genocidal lunatic with just death on her mind is anyones guess.

But aren't we going to address the big, hard to miss compound in azshara with his face carved into it? Surely some goblins would be happy to blow it up and claim the pleasure palace as their own?

Surely they would deface it but as Gazlowe is more open to internal businesses, one could easily take over.

[Nathanyel]

"He exists and has better personality" doesn't equate to sense. I am all for Gallywix getting a boot and replaced with someone who even helped build (as in not finish) Orgrimmar. However, write the story for it. Give it a little bit of foreshadow, that's clearly too much to ask.

Gazlowe has been a notable figure since Warcraft 3, and as others mentioned, it was assumed that a playable Goblin race would be introduced by or at least involve him.
Gazlowe played a role during WoD, and in BfA, he changed Gallywix' assignment to Horde players from killing Grizzek to saving him, already a power move.
He took us to Mechagon and displayed once more a moderate side of the Goblins.
We don't need him stating "I want to depose Gallywix" some time before doing so to have enough buildup for the character.

Gazlowe is an anti goblin by personality and not even part of the bilgewater. The horde council iniated a hostile takeover by a foreign corporation aka cartel. STATE sanctioned economy. Can't get more anti goblin philosophy than that.

Thrall is an anti-Orc, as was Saurfang in the New Horde, if you only look at the worst tropes/stereotypes of a race. Warcraft has always managed to subvert the tropes, to make the savage and/or evil races likeable protagonists.

Gazlowe's tactique is that by being nice he can make his employees love him. They are indeed quite passionate and productive because they would not want to work for Gallywix.

Gazlowe is the capitalist that capitalists claim to be.

Both are nothing in terms of technological growth compared to Blackfuse.

I'd reply to that, but I don't want to Godwin-bomb this thread.

[Grazrug]

Gazlowe has been a notable figure since Warcraft 3, and as others mentioned, it was assumed that a playable Goblin race would be introduced by or at least involve him.
Gazlowe played a role during WoD, and in BfA, he changed Gallywix' assignment to Horde players from killing Grizzek to saving him, already a power move.
He took us to Mechagon and displayed once more a moderate side of the Goblins.
We don't need him stating "I want to depose Gallywix" some time before doing so to have enough buildup for the character.



Thrall is an anti-Orc, as was Saurfang in the New Horde, if you only look at the worst tropes/stereotypes of a race. Warcraft has always managed to subvert the tropes, to make the savage and/or evil races likeable protagonists.



Gazlowe is the capitalist that capitalists claim to be.



I'd reply to that, but I don't want to Godwin-bomb this thread.

If you have to humanize races just for the sake of relatability than Blizzard clearly lacks the understanding of what it means to be a FANTASY race.

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Goblins' philosophy is earning money.
Gazlowe gives pays them more than Gallywix, that's all they need.

Also, how is Gazlowe "anti goblin"? Let me guess, because he actually pays his people instead of trying to scam them and cares for them?

social fundings, paid holidays, triple payment etc. nothing to do with Dystopian capitalism goblin style. Gazlowe is a socialist.

[matrix123mko]

Thrall is an anti-Orc, as was Saurfang in the New Horde, if you only look at the worst tropes/stereotypes of a race.

Thrall was an interesting character with his reforms. Some inversions are cool. However, Lor'themar is horrible. I don't accept non-mage elf leaders.

Warcraft has always managed to subvert the tropes, to make the savage and/or evil races likeable protagonists.

But antagonists are cool too. I like playing evil characters.

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If you have to humanize races just for the sake of relatability than Blizzard clearly lacks the understanding of what it means to be a FANTASY race.

Exactly. Fantasy races should be more extreme. I like greedy drunk dwarves and overly vainglorious elves.

social fundings, paid holidays, triple payment etc. nothing to do with Dystopian capitalism goblin style. Gazlowe is a socialist.

As I said, he is capitalist that has different ways to achieve his goals. He still loves money but he is also good person. He believes in organic work.

However, I prefer that bastard Gallywix.

[therealstegblob]

So uh, is there any confirmation at all that Gallywix followed Sylvanas and is no longer part of the Horde, or?

[Grazrug]

So uh, is there any confirmation at all that Gallywix followed Sylvanas and is no longer part of the Horde, or?

Well they elected Gazlowe after Gallywix went missing. He apparently is now the leader of Kezan again however after leaving Kalimdor.

[Kyphael]

Well they elected Gazlowe after Gallywix went missing. He apparently is now the leader of Kezan again however after leaving Kalimdor.

Great, you know what that means, right?

Future patch, we go to Kezan to kill Gallywix in a raid or dungeon he's the final boss of.

[Alanar]

Yes, under the guide of Comrade Magister Umbric the Alliance successfully punished the goblin and wrecked that vile palace.

What master magister umbric didnt know, is that he fought a place full of dummies in all its glory and the real deal was dealt with by the horde in the goblin herritage questline.

Poor umbric, dont tell him it wasnt canon either.

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No thanks, 4ish years was enough!

He did something 2 patches in total?
Gallywix was an asshole, but you need type of leader for a race like goblins. They are all jerks and rip ya wallet.
Gallywix fitted the vibe, but he should have ditched sylvanas and crawl back to thrall..
Trade prince gazlow sounds weak tho.

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Great, you know what that means, right?

Future patch, we go to Kezan to kill Gallywix in a raid or dungeon he's the final boss of.

Wr already went back there in patch 8.3 herritage armor questline.

They just should make that place available uninstanced.
According to the lore kezan should have multiple trade princes. It would be cool of we go back a third time and meet up with trade prince steamweedle or something.. like actually show the size and power of the cartels.

[Maljinwo]

Gallywix was an asshole, but you need type of leader for a race like goblins. They are all jerks and rip ya wallet.
Gallywix fitted the vibe, but he should have ditched sylvanas and crawl back to thrall..
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It was already weird as fuck that Gallywix had enslaved his own cartel and then they accepted him back for reasons

[Dellis0991]

So galliwix is gone from the horde, why he thought there was more profit in staying with a genocidal lunatic with just death on her mind is anyones guess.

But aren't we going to address the big, hard to miss compound in azshara with his face carved into it? Surely some goblins would be happy to blow it up and claim the pleasure palace as their own?

Alliance players left dead bodies everywhere.

[FelPlague]

After sylvanas abandoned it, he went after her to ghostlands along with nathanos. Thrall and the other horde leaders asked if gazlowe be interesting in stepping up and taking lead of the bilgewater cartel.

(Which despite naysayers makes fine sense seen as how hes been a much bigger influence on the hordes technological growth the galliwix ever was)

since gazlowe rebuilt org not once but twice, i knew he was gunna be lead, and needed to be.

[Kyphael]

According to the lore kezan should have multiple trade princes. It would be cool of we go back a third time and meet up with trade prince steamweedle or something.. like actually show the size and power of the cartels.

Wait... there are multiple Trade Princes? Now we NEED to see that. They could rip off Godfather tongue-in-cheek in hilarious fashion, and I'd unhitch my wagon from Gallywix if they introduce Trade Princes as entertaining as him. Gazlowe is just terribly boring.

"Ey, look at me, I'mmu goblin but I ain't as greedy so I have no personality!"

[Nathanyel]

Wait... there are multiple Trade Princes?

Sure there are. It's a high title in the Goblin Cartels, presumably there are five of them. It may not appear to be a direct correlation, but the Cartel leaders are all Trade Princes, with the rogue exception of the Venture Co.'s Razdunk not being one, but they're disliked even by other Goblins, so I don't see that 'Cartel' as an example for anything.

[Makorus]

The problem with Gazlowe is that he embodies nothing that makes a Goblin interesting.

Gallywix was perfect. Not every character has some lawful good friendly character like Gawloze. He could be a human or an Orc and it wouldnt be weird.