Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Skulltaker]

Nitpicking is your only argument? Think of how bad that number would be if the country's entire infrastructure goes down because we're purposefully killing the economy

If you think being off by 10% in medicine is nitpicking I can imagine what kind of quality education you had, and I can directly derive how qualified your 'opinion' of all of this is. Why don't we increase the CO2 percentage in the composition of the air you breathe to 10%, and see who's nitpicking then?

[Thepersona]

That's way less worrying.

Here in chile we have 1.3k cases and 4 ventilations (and 60 admited in ICU)

[Skulltaker]

Fingers crossed that you have reached the flat part.

Flat part would mean that the number of newly infected is smaller than the number of people being released in the same timeframe. So, no, they haven't.

[Puupi]

Well seems like the government aims to import another 10k machines. by the winter and veterinary workers will be trained to support the efforts. They currently project that there will be a second, more severe wave starting early autumn, simply because they can't keep country locked down indefinitely, so they try to prepare for that.

Their projections are that 12 weeks of lockdown will be 16% of GDP and 5 weeks is half of that, they hope it won't come to this, but still there is intent to raise our debt to GDP ratio from 60% to 70% to fight the virus and prop the economy.

10k machines for a country the size of Israel?

Do you have qualified people to operate those....?

[FitAsAFiddle]

If you think being off by 10% in medicine is nitpicking I can imagine what kind of quality education you had, and I can directly derive how qualified your 'opinion' of all of this is. Why don't we increase the CO2 percentage in the composition of the air you breathe to 10%, and see who's nitpicking then?

Alright fine, I'll be more precise even though I think you're being pedantic, and it doesn't change the fact that the numbers are low.

[Skulltaker]

Sure, I've been going outside and going to work already. Our Lt. Governor here doesn't believe in this nonsense either. He actually wants to keep this country out of peril.

There's probably a more effective way for you to contribute than waiting to catch a virus, then.

[Gaidax]

Fingers crossed that you have reached the flat part.

Not quite there yet, it's just a small glimpse. Nobody is uncorking champagne just yet and we're still going to be locked down even harder soon, if leaks are true.

[FitAsAFiddle]

There's probably a more effective way for you to contribute than waiting to catch a virus, then.

I am contributing, I'm actually working and keeping the economy from collapsing which would kill many more. What are you doing besides telling me how evil and wrong I am?

[Gaidax]

10k machines for a country the size of Israel?

Do you have qualified people to operate those....?

I'm not Ministry of Health, I can't answer that. What I do know is that on top of using last year medical students, they intend to train veterinary workers to assist. I imagine even if we don't actually have the human resource to service these, it's still better to have these than run out. All in all equipment might get broken and put out of service, so there's that too.

All in all, it's a government fuckup we did not have more of those to begin with, because given our situation there is a non-0 chance of biological or chemical attack. These questions are already being raised and I'm sure there will be a state committee dealing with this down the road.

[beanman12345]

I am contributing, I'm actually working and keeping the economy from collapsing which would kill many more. What are you doing besides telling me how evil and wrong I am?

Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit huh?

[For_The_Horde]

Ask yourself the question again when it's your parents who are getting disconnected from the respirator because there is some younger one who needs that machine more.

Fun fact, its actually possible to hook up multiple people to one ventilator. I mean its risky, they need similar lung sizes and oxygenation/pressure requirements, and it'll be crowded since they'll prettymuch all need to be the same distance from the ventilator, and you'll need to basically babysit the machine making changes on the fly. But if it comes down to life and death, and the surge is overwhelming, hospitals can make the call to start desperate measures. Disconnecting people from ventilators when they need them to live is not really a thing btw (in this country). Bipap machines could also work potentially, but those would come with other issues.

[Machismo]

Nitpicking is your only argument? Think of how bad that number would be if the country's entire infrastructure goes down because we're purposefully killing the economy

The overwhelming majority of scientific and health experts disagree with you.

[Skulltaker]

Alright fine, I'll be more precise even though I think you're being pedantic, and it doesn't change the fact that the numbers are low.

As an absolute? Yes, they are. In terms of growth? They're horrifying. I think you're missing the big picture. Look at all those shiny 'flatten the curve' graphs and projections. If they were a mall layout, the arrow indicating "You are here!" is somewhere between zero and the first 10 percent of the 'time' part of that graph. There is a lot more of this shit to come.

Now picture, for a minute, the numbers in the US keep rising at the same pace as they have for the past 7 days.

How many infected are we looking at by Friday next week?

[Machismo]

The USA is once again the best. We now officially have the most confirmed Covid-19 cases. The rest of the world can eat our dust.

[Gaidax]

The USA is once again the best. We now officially have the most confirmed Covid-19 cases. The rest of the world can eat our dust.

U S A, U S A!!

Well to be fair, you do have large population and I imagine you are a bit more frank about your numbers compared to some other, less savory states.

[boyzma]

Sure, I've been going outside and going to work already. Our Lt. Governor here doesn't believe in this nonsense either. He actually wants to keep this country out of peril.

Let me guess....good 'ol Mississippi...home of the ass backwards hicks ..."we're grown adults you can't tell us what to do" Morons.

[Skulltaker]

I am contributing, I'm actually working and keeping the economy from collapsing which would kill many more. What are you doing besides telling me how evil and wrong I am?

Working my ass of in my hospital in 10 hour shifts, treating patients suffering from this 'nothing', when I'm not performing surgery. And I'm not telling you that you're evil, just ignorant and wrong, and both of that is easily proven by a tremendous amount of quantifiable data, as opposed to the stance of your governor, whomever the dimwit is that the people in your corner of the US saw fit to elect as their leader while it is apparent that he has received less education than the chair he sat on in whatever school he visited. What state are you from? I'd like to google whomever that moron is.

[Thepersona]

U S A, U S A!!

Well to be fair, you do have large population and I imagine you are a bit more frank about your numbers compared to some other, less savory states.

This could also mean that china had much more asymptomatic cases. I ve read somewhere that the true number of cases is 10x the reported one and the vast majority of people dont develop symptoms.
In fact i'm desperately counting on this and on the arrival of serological tests.

[alexw]

As an absolute? Yes, they are. In terms of growth? They're horrifying. I think you're missing the big picture. Look at all those shiny 'flatten the curve' graphs and projections. If they were a mall layout, the arrow indicating "You are here!" is somewhere between zero and the first 10 percent of the 'time' part of that graph. There is a lot more of this shit to come.

Now picture, for a minute, the numbers in the US keep rising at the same pace as they have for the past 7 days.

How many infected are we looking at by Friday next week?

Around 600,000 in 1 week. 4.6 million in 2 weeks.

Of course this is just the reported cases and since it takes a week for symptoms to appear its already going to be at the 600,000 case mark, so in a week we would have 4.6 million infected at a minimum.

[Gaidax]

New York Times piece