Boost & mount haha

[Jabakaga]

Yeah bro you got me. WoW leveling is the pinnacle of gaming for me. I get such a rush when my character lights up.

Have you heard of muscle memory? While you are wanding down those boars you are learning where your spells are, increasing reaction times and familiarity with your spells. Its not my main point I agree a bad player is most likely gonna be a bad player regardless of leveling. But you look at current retail WoW where if you wanna pug heroic CN your choice is either buying a boost, or stopping that search and joining a guild otherwise good luck son you aint killing Sire with the current crop of WoW players. 90% of them are literal dog shit who dont even have all their spells on their bars. TBC actually requires co-ordination on pulls using CC etc. I'd like people to practise that before stepping into the dungeons. Thats the way the game was DESIGNED. You dont step into wailing caverns at level 1 do you.

So if I intent to play as holy at max level paladin but I decide to level as retri am I then not worthy player since I would be using different abilities, playstyle, keybinds etc? My muscle memory would be for retri playstyle so I should have level all the way through as holy? This game is easy I dungeon leveled as brewmaster in WoD to max level and switched to MW when I dinged read one guide and queued to dungeon and wollah doesn't take more than one dungeon to get pretty decent with keybinds. Since many spells are similar between casters fast cast healing spell "f or 2" long cast "4" aoe "g" CD "c", "x" etc.

[munkeyinorbit]

People actually believe the boost is a terrible idea cause they dont want others to play TBC right away? Do you guys honestly want others to play the clown fiesta that classic is just to touch TBC? stupidity at its finest.

You actually believe this is where blizzard will stop? Are you new? Blizzard will do whatever they can to milk TBCC for all it's worth. Paid boosts. Paid transfers. Paid tokens. The store. It's all coming to TBCC.

[Frozenbro]

You actually believe this is where blizzard will stop? Are you new? Blizzard will do whatever they can to milk TBCC for all it's worth. Paid boosts. Paid transfers. Paid tokens. The store. It's all coming to TBCC.

With this i agree with you, this is where it should stop, but the boost is a good compromise and it should stay that way and never escalate beyond this.

[Lochton]

So the business practices that blizzard have for retail are NOW ok with mmoc? Every week we have a 30 page rant about how blizzard shouldn't have the token or the store. You can guarantee that token is right round the corner and after that we will have LFD. TBCC is pretty much ruined with the changes they have announced.

One of the reasons I was against Classic in the first place - no changes wishes couldn't be upheld anyways.

[Fallen Angel]

it teaches you not to be shit at the game dude, if you haven't play a class for a while its nice to be handed the abilities bit by bit and figure out which of those demands which hotkeys, do you need to do it this way? no, but you can do it this way and this is the way the game was intended to be learned, if you haven't played the game for a while or if you are brand new to the game, this expansion, whatever, it pays to go through it the way it was intended. that is the experience, that is how you make your character yours and various other experiences that you just don't get if you start at 58. I have my main, I've played it for the last couple years now, put the effort into and am happy with it.. ultimately everyone wants that.

Does it really? Again, what EXACTLY is taught to say, a shadow priest (for tbc mind you) from 1-58? Is leveling really the pinnacle of class perfection? Wouldn’t max level raid/heroic performance be the measure of class experience? You won’t know if the boost is the cause of subpar performance

[RobertMugabe]

That’s how the original game was. You levelled from scratch. That’s the point of Classic, to reenact the game as it once was. Nobody could get a level 58 from start in TBC. It hasn’t got anything to do with “stopping people playing from 58’’ but to stop the game from being something else than it once was.
Well you got what you wanted and people that want the Classic experience, like myself, may not play. I’m not reviewing my subscription.

See you in TBC classic in a few months lol

[Frozenbro]

the only thing you need is time, sounds kinda vague to me, don't most things only require time? you do it enough times you'll eventually get it. nothing in this game is made to be impossible, its just a matter of having a bunch of ppl show up at the same time and spend several hours killing bosses.

You know what i meant with this, but ill explain it to you, lets say you go to Molten Core and it takes you 1 week to clear the whole raid progress included and what not, you feel proud of your guild ofc for the achievement, now your guild uses that same timeframe (1 week) and try to clear Mythic Castle Nathria, tell me how that would go and you will understand the context of that phrase right away, then you will realize "oh well yeah there are people that actually wont need the 1-60 journey at all cause they already know how to play the game", hence why the boost isnt detrimental to your gameplay and will actually bring more players to TBC.

[Heathy]

but why should they try to balance an old game around what ppl are playing now that doesn't make any sense. I know they have said we'll get pre-nerf boss fights to up the base difficulty somewhat. but the retail game has no baring on these, now, progression realms. if ppl wanna start at 58 the paid option seems balanced enough to me that some ppl will choose to do that and other ppl will simply level their characters with everyone else, seeing as there will be a period of time where a lot of folks level paladins and shamans, this is a prime time to jump in and get a character upto 58 or 60. since there will be so many groups going i can't see it taking that long either. if ppl are complaining that the only option to start at 58 is a paid option thats likely just to avoid it being abused. everyone has levelled their character from 1-60, no one logged in so far and got a free 58. every paladin on the horde and every shaman on the alliance you'll know they levelled from 1-60, and so you know they have put some time into that character.

[Frozenbro]

but why should they try to balance an old game around what ppl are playing now that doesn't make any sense. I know they have said we'll get pre-nerf boss fights to up the base difficulty somewhat. but the retail game has no baring on these, now, progression realms.

They wont, TBC will have its own balance to try to reflect what was in the past, but you thinking players like that paying for the boost will "play like shit" cause they didnt lvl from 1-60 to learn their class is delusional since its clearly the opposite, they play at a more difficult lvl so idk why you think this.

[Heathy]

I mean i'm ready to go, the portal could open now and my character its UI and keybinds are primed and ready, my professions are capped, I could litterally walk through the portal right now and start levelling or gathering.. while these premades you have a choice, do you, go through the portal and start on 58-70, or are you going back to westfall to mine copper and skin boars. because one way or another you're gunna have to sink time into your character, for me thats already done. string together the time you mess around with your UI and keybinds over the course of two years. its definitely taken me a while to get my buttons where I want them and for me, I never played a warrior in classic or tbc I played a priest, I can probably play a priest as good as anyone but I didn't have 10 years of warrior experience going into classic.

going through the game from level 1 was good for me, even though I had played a warrior before, my bros warrior, I still had to learn the nuances.

[ArenaDk]

Iam confused. What do I learn from only using frostbo,t/ shadowbolt/ any other spell you spam. to level from 1-58?

I leveled a feral druid in classic, which ,, rotatioń´´ is really basic. So I will assume that playing a feral in retail currently will also make it pretty easy to play a nother watered down version in tbc even if its boosted or not.

While people coming from classic rather will struggle as they are less carried by gear / wb then before and may have to use more then 2 buttons suddenly

[Fallen Angel]

I mean i'm ready to go, the portal could open now and my character its UI and keybinds are primed and ready, my professions are capped, I could litterally walk through the portal right now and start levelling or gathering.. while these premades you have a choice, do you, go through the portal and start on 58-70, or are you going back to westfall to mine copper and skin boars. because one way or another you're gunna have to sink time into your character, for me thats already done.

So being shit at the game according to you is having to go back and level professions? Mind you, your original argument wasn’t professions, but being bad at the game if they didn’t level through classic. What if I have a 60 whatever with no professions? Am I shit at the game? Does 300 professions mean I’m good at the game? If you said yes to either question, you’re wrong. Max level performance (70 in tbc) is the ONLY measure of success at tbc content.

[Heathy]

well i mean the professions in tbc were pretty decent no matter which one you took it had something unique that contributed toward the overall min/max, I think these boosted 58 are at a disadvantage and whether ppl like it or not this game requires some level of effort placed into it. i'm sorry that some of you are completely inept but thats just a fact, mmos = massive time sinks.

is the complaint that there are pre made 58s or just that the have a cost associated with them? because neither of these things are really that big of a deal, the pre mades are gimped and are going to require some effort put into them to bring them upto par with anyones current main, while the cost to me seems as though its there to simply balance out the difference between those who, really really have no time, and those who plan on levelling 20 freaking alts anyway. if it makes ppl think 'well maybe i can just level a character myself' then thats good enough for me.

[Fallen Angel]

well i mean the professions in tbc were pretty decent no matter which one you took it had something unique that contributed toward the overall min/max, I think these boosted 58 are at a disadvantage and whether ppl like it or not this game requires some level of effort placed into it. i'm sorry that some of you are completely inept but thats just a fact, mmos = massive time sinks.

How are they disadvantaged? Go back to the old world at max to grind some boars for skins? What if I buy all the mats to level max X profession? The only effort that affects anyone is at max level, and you will have no idea if someone boosted or not at that point.

[Heathy]

you will because they won't have any t3 or any epic gear at all for that matter.

I'm hoping that the cost of these premades actually does make ppl decide on whether or not it would be easier to just ... level a character up yourself. again, even if you get a 58 premade, you only get 1, so you have to level each alt. this seems like it maintains most of the effort ppl have put into the game, if they were handing out level 60s with t2 and a profession of your choice, that would essentially be bullshit, the very definition of taking a steaming dump on any shred of prestige the game has. but this should be somewhat apparent. I don't think these 58 cross the line based around how they start out. they will have to compete with all the other ppl levelling for resources so thats going to slow it down a bit. I'd imagine we'll get layering in hellfire, but are they going to layer the whole of classic for that pre-bc levelling boom, probably not?

[Fallen Angel]

you will because they won't have any t3 or any epic gear at all for that matter.

What about newly leveled 58s? Not a single one will have any t3 or epic gear unless they bought it.

My shaman at 60 on classic has no epic gear. Your attempt at a point is complete garbage.

[Heathy]

well I wouldn't not invite you just because you don't have epic gear so what point are you trying to make, that there is no difference between you and a premade 58, only you can fix that problem, get into some pugs, get some gear. level up a few times and you'll be ahead of that 58, you're 60, they are 58, you already ahead. if it was a choice between you and a 58 shaman to join the group, i'd go for the 60.

the way I see it is that buying a 58 would be robbing yourself of the exact experience you're paying a subscription to have. tbc aint a massive improvement on classic, the questing and dungeon running is pretty much the same, if you didn't like questing in classic its the same in bc. the same escort quests, the same kill 50 mobs for 1 item that never drops quests, the collect 20 bear asses, same thing in bc. more of the same.

[Fallen Angel]

well I wouldn't not invite you just because you don't have epic gear so what point are you trying to make, that there is no difference between you and a premade 58, only you can fix that problem, get into some pugs, get some gear. level up a few times and you'll be ahead of that 58, you're 60, they are 58, you already ahead. if it was a choice between you and a 58 shaman to join the group, i'd go for the 60.

So you have no point. What if I leveled my warlock to 58 and stopped for tbc? I still put in the time to get 58. Does that mean I know more than the person who has mained warlock since 2004 just because they gave no shits about classic but wanted to come back for tbc? What if I decide to continue in retail until tbc release and still have no epic gear? What if your only option for ramparts is a 58 shaman? You’re not going to take them because they boosted to 58 and wait another hour while hfp is flooded with characters and you can’t kill a single boar to finish a quest? The delusion is palpable

[Heathy]

hypothetically speaking ofc. thats the problem with just strings of hypothetical scenarios, they are hypothetical. as in, they may happen, they also, may not.

I think they will have problems with hellfire because, originally the paladins and shamans started at level 1 and the player base was spread out (at least a little bit) because of this, but hellfire was a shit show the first time, which is why wrath had two starting zones, the exact reason why.

layering will hopefully fix the problem, it worked pretty well for classic but ofc it did create a scenario where ppl were farming layers for resources and the server ended up with a lot more assets than would have been possible with a single layer. albeit, these realms do have more players than they did back then. it has to be balanced out some how, so its at least somewhat playable but I expect hellfire will still be congested on launch day. if the servers don't outright crash because the palas and shaman get to join in this time assuming they manage to get to 58 before the gate opens :3

[Tsyplenk]

hypothetically speaking ofc. thats the problem with just strings of hypothetical scenarios, they are hypothetical. as in, they may happen, they also, may not.

I think they will have problems with hellfire because, originally the paladins and shamans started at level 1 and the player base was spread out (at least a little bit) because of this, but hellfire was a shit show the first time, which is why wrath had two starting zones, the exact reason why.

layering will hopefully fix the problem, it worked pretty well for classic but ofc it did create a scenario where ppl were farming layers for resources and the server ended up with a lot more assets than would have been possible with a single layer. albeit, these realms do have more players than they did back then. it has to be balanced out some how, so its at least somewhat playable but I expect hellfire will still be congested on launch day. if the servers don't outright crash because the palas and shaman get to join in this time assuming they manage to get to 58 before the gate opens :3

I'm not sure you even know what you're saying at this stage.