Thank GOD I gave away my DK

[elseagoat]

Right after the Scourge Strike nerfs went through my Priest DK team played a few games and after discovering that we could not

A) out mana a resto druid team
B) out mana a prothealadin team
C) put out any damage whatsoever against a shaman team
D) get a gib during coordinated gnaw strangulate psychic scream chain on ANY enemy due to the loss of 5% dmg from desecration, 5% base weapon damage from Scourge Strike, and lots of % modifiers for disease bonuses (my Scourge Strike was critting for 3.8k with 3 diseases up on furious geared opponents in my furious gear, rofl).

I gave away my account when my partner teamdisbanded after a frustrating string of losses dropping us below 2k and bringing us out of range of my partners furious shoulders.

I took it as a sign that I needed to get more involved in college anyways, and gave my account info to the first person in guild chat that took the offer. Joined some clubs, starting hanging out at the frat more, spent more time with the GF, and told myself I was going to boost my GPA but that last little bit doesn't seem to be happening (people don't change I guess).

Well, after reading patch notes after patch notes of destruction to the most unique and interesting class to play in this game, I just become more and more satisfied with my decision.

Chains of Ice on diminishing returns. Wow. Second snare in the game to receive diminishing returns since Frost Shock (yet that got reverted when Blizz saw how retarded it was). Blizzard class design is so banal that I am SO glad that I do not sit through the whiplash of rolling a class because it is an easy switch from a main and has cool mechanics, and inevitably ending up massively overpowered only to get blasted down to one of the most worthless support classes for the primary bread and butter of any comp (a healer and a mortal striker). Hell, even an enhancement shaman brings strong offensive dispels, can clear snares off his teammates (great for peeling) offer crowd control, and wipe fear, sleep, and charm from his entire team. Now the DK class offers garbage pressure against any shaman team (which is like 75% of the comps atm) and will offer garbage peels when this change goes live, and has no hope whatsoever of existing on any team that does not have mortal strike.

Even when I rolled a lock in vanilla I sat through this nonsense. I had a lock back when drakedog was pumping out his fan loved vids of him destroying people on a garbage class. Then the class revisions set in and skillcoil came into existance. Bottom to top in a single day. Arena comes out, and SL/SL takes glad every season. WotLK released, locks are nerfed due to being far too survivable yet health pools in WotLK did not scale like in TBC so the nerfs would have been great, last expansion. But nope, warlocks are garbage again for the first season. Then its time for a round of destro buffs, and now the class globals people with some of the highest numbers in the game, comparable to crits from finishing abilities like kill shot yet on two primary attacks, one of which is instant. Talk about whiplash.

Well, I learned my lesson. When cata comes out, if I don't find the new call of duty interesting enough to hold my attention, I'm definitely rolling a warrior. The one class that has never, ever been so nerfed that they are simply not viable in any comp. Mortal Strike is a free ride to an arena team any season. No more support classes for me. Screw you blizzard.

[irongar]

I'm definitely rolling a warrior. The one class that has never, ever been so nerfed that they are simply not viable in any comp. Mortal Strike is a free ride to an arena team any season. No more support classes for me. Screw you blizzard.

wait... what?

[elseagoat]

Sorry for the rant. I know most are like "cool story bro" but I guess I was still clinging to hope that the most interesting class to me would get balanced to stability and not take a roller coaster ride so that I could pick it back up and have fun in PvP in Cata rather than rolling face one season and getting booted from 1500 teams the next because a Warrior, Hunter, or any caster brings more to the team.

I'm pretty mad that history is repeating itself so badly and I am addicted as hell, I miss the good times and hate the months of playing through the bad times trying to keep up with the gear upgrades so I can get in on the action for a month when the next bout of good changes comes in.

I don't want an easy class. I don't want a class that nobody wants on their arena team. But I want a fun class and I want it to stay stable enough to not have to relearn my class every patch.

[cryogenic]

wait... what?

memory of a goldfish aye.

[Coronius]

I'm sorry, but I guess "the most interesting class" translates well into "the most overpowered class". DK's are by far not the worst class in PvP at the moment, and by claiming so you're practically spitting on the classes/speccs that could really use some help.

In my own opinion though, DK's shouldn't have been introduced into this game in the first place.

[elseagoat]

wait... what?

Yea, I know in season 5 Warrior were hurting. The same was also true at the beginning of TBC in the first season or two.

But every expansion, Warriors receive minimal class destroying or overpowering changes compared the rollercoaster that most other classes ride.

Once again, in WotLK, Warriors started off with low rep but still managed on some teams due to bringing MS< I remember encountering a few Fury warriors in season 5 that were riding above 2k (thanks to BiS naxx gear though).

Warriors arguably ride the gear wave better than any other class, they start off mediocre or even bad (but still playable) and as an influx of decent epics comes in the following seasons, they receive minimal changes (except for a gay -10% modifier on titans grip here or there but no gamebreaking mechanics changes) and start performing really well. They are a great, well balanced class in my opinion.

Yea there are exceptions to what I just said, and I'm not trying to imply they don't have problems or are overpowered or have it easy, but just that if I had to pick a class where I felt confident that if I demonstrated skill, I could always find an arena team that would take me and could be generally worry free about huge sweeping mechanics changes that would destroy my viability.

[roboscorcher]

This is why I hate arenas. Class comps are too important. That, and playing gets monotonous. Rated BG's should reduce the QQ from arena PvPers, as minor buffs/nerfs won't determine the outcome of games as much as teamwork. That's how I see it, anyways.

[Envojus]

as far as i hate to agree with OP, but i agree.....

[Iliar]

Blizz could just fix the whole thing by removing arenas. Or stop balancing the game around PvP! Who cares about PvP?

[StGank]

I'm sorry, but I guess "the most interesting class" translates well into "the most overpowered class". DK's are by far not the worst class in PvP at the moment, and by claiming so you're practically spitting on the classes/speccs that could really use some help.

In my own opinion though, DK's shouldn't have been introduced into this game in the first place.

Still living 2 seasons back are we ?

[cryogenic]

Yea, I know in season 5 Warrior were hurting. The same was also true at the beginning of TBC in the first season or two.

But every expansion, Warriors receive minimal class destroying or overpowering changes compared the rollercoaster that most other classes ride.

Once again, in WotLK, Warriors started off with low rep but still managed on some teams due to bringing MS< I remember encountering a few Fury warriors in season 5 that were riding above 2k (thanks to BiS naxx gear though).

Warriors arguably ride the gear wave better than any other class, they start off mediocre or even bad (but still playable) and as an influx of decent epics comes in the following seasons, they receive minimal changes (except for a gay -10% modifier on titans grip here or there but no gamebreaking mechanics changes) and start performing really well. They are a great, well balanced class in my opinion.

Yea there are exceptions to what I just said, and I'm not trying to imply they don't have problems or are overpowered or have it easy, but just that if I had to pick a class where I felt confident that if I demonstrated skill, I could always find an arena team that would take me and could be generally worry free about huge sweeping mechanics changes that would destroy my viability.

dude there is one reason why warriors do well, because healers are ridiculously strong after further lowering of damage with res changes anything that halves healing does well.

I'm sorry, but I guess "the most interesting class" translates well into "the most overpowered class". DK's are by far not the worst class in PvP at the moment, and by claiming so you're practically spitting on the classes/speccs that could really use some help.

In my own opinion though, DK's shouldn't have been introduced into this game in the first place.

name the class that is in a worse place then dk then Ill tell you to gtfo your wrong no matter which you pick they will have a better placed spec in their class then any of the DK's.
the only place dks were ever strong was 2v2, 2v2 nor dueling are the basis for balancing
your ignorant your opinion is stupid, "imo whatever class you play shouldnt have been introduced to the game"
its a good thing you have nothing to do with designing for wow as it would just be tic tac to with more polygons.

[Fabolous1]

This guys never gotten Gladiator before.

[elseagoat]

I'm sorry, but I guess "the most interesting class" translates well into "the most overpowered class". DK's are by far not the worst class in PvP at the moment, and by claiming so you're practically spitting on the classes/speccs that could really use some help.

In my own opinion though, DK's shouldn't have been introduced into this game in the first place.

Hunters are still suffering slightly, and Rogues are doing pretty poorly in fives but are still good in threes. There was one other class but I can't recall, that seemed to have a representation that indicated it needed help.

I think the class is the most interesting because of the shared cooldown system that all abilities have. Unlike a caster that spams abilities endlessly (until oom) each ability is a choice. If I do this, then I can't do that. This is what makes Rogues (soon hunters, though they already have mechanics that are skill demanding) and to some extent warriors have such high skill caps, or at least it is one contributing factor.

Having a 5 second cooldown on all your attacks like a ret with a mana type resource lowers the skill cap greatly, as it removes the need for decision making with each attack and removes a lot of the need for foresight. (If I blow all my energy on damage right here, I can't react with a fast blind or gouge on this rogue if he trinkets, ect.) This resource system greatly attracted me to the DK class.

Another reason why I was attracted to the class was because it was a melee class with pets. Not just any pets, but zombies. I always like pet classes and having to micro manage pets, but at the same time I kind of wanted to play a melee class as the caster style was getting a bit stale for me.

I also love DoTs, and always wanted to have my Warlock DoTs spread to other enemies near my target like a disease. DKs got the ability to do this, nail on the head for me.



So yea, in the back of my mind, I kind of expected the new class to be overpowered just because I knew that it would take a while to balance an influx of new mechanics in the existing game. So I probably should have expected this whiplash. But that is not why I rolled the class. I rolled it because it had everything I enjoyed about my warlock, and everything I wish my warlock did but did not. I love the mechanics of the class. I love how IBF doesn't break stuns and must be used predicatively in fights against good rogues. I love that I can deathgrip a Rogues vanish much like good rogues vanish a Blind in those awesome Rogue Rogue vids (though, I bet I can't with the new vanish change) when I am on top of my game and predict the vanish. The class is cool and FUN to play, you can always say "hey, I could have done X to survive and win that fight" when you lose and rarely think "wow I couldn't do shit in that situation thats OP."

DKs were way overpowered, and honestly, that sucks. Should have seen it coming.

[rorschachlol]

[whazzz]

This guys never gotten Gladiator before.

[Mord]

Blizz could just fix the whole thing by removing arenas. Or stop balancing the game around PvP! Who cares about PvP?

100% agree put stupid arenas on a special server or pvp servers only, leave us pve players in piece, or better yet make abilities change based on if you are in arena or not.

[SarahWalker]

But every expansion, Warriors receive minimal class destroying or overpowering changes compared the rollercoaster that most other classes ride.

You mean, new weapons? Its been like that for warriors the entirety of WoW.... We are a gear dependent class.... Oh btw, DK's still rape stuff, it just sounds like you cant play, considering you want to gib someone during a gnaw, strangulate, psychic scream....

[Sidonis]

Still living 2 seasons back are we ?

Which is appropriate since so is the OP.

[elseagoat]

This guys never gotten Gladiator before.

Of course I haven't, I'm a casual and I'm not that good. Sometimes I do cool stuff, I remember telling a guildmate that you could reactively deathgrip a rogue and cause his vanish to fail if he gave enough signs that he was going to do it and dueled a rogue three times in a row and accomplished just that. Rogue hit Cloak of Shadows, ran out of range to try and vanish so I couldn't blood boil him, and I grip right as he vanished causing it to fail. Looks like your deathgripping air and you deselect the rogue, but he appears next to you and is denied his opener.

But I am not gladiator material that is for sure. I know how to play and I am decent, but my class carried me BIG TIME in season 5 (I wish that wasn't the case) and in season 6 I played with a priest because the comp felt much more demanding than paladin DK or druid DK and felt confident that I had earned my ratings considering that my priest didn't even know why he was getting gibbed by Affliction warlocks every time (until I pointed out the Unstable Affliction tooltip to him XD).

So I hope that clears up any confusion. I don't have gladiator skills and don't expect to get glad. But I at least want my class to have a defined role in a comp so I can at least show that I sort of know what I'm doing.

[SarahWalker]

Oh, and... I bet he got gladiator on his DK, when it was the 1 - 2 button class that facerolled kids in arena with no strat or skill.... Gladdiator to no title in 1 season because of a nerf means the class was broken and you had no skill.....

sorry bro, you might need to learn how to play WoW....