Ok that was the last straw, I can't play LoL for unknown reason, I have to download it from zero... again (did that once way back), and repair button isn't working, I click on it and nothing, it seems it needs repair too
Ok that was the last straw, I can't play LoL for unknown reason, I have to download it from zero... again (did that once way back), and repair button isn't working, I click on it and nothing, it seems it needs repair too
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Oh cmon they really need to update those solomid guides, I was maxing W first also as top...but maybe is still good for me as I'm learning and it seems to be safer.
Btw this are the champions I like to play as top, can u tell me is wich situation should I choose each one of them?
- Riven
- Jayce
- Irelia
- Rumble
Also bought teemo and vlad but never used them.
Rumble : your team is low on AP (your mid isn't good AP carry late game like Heimer)
Riven : your team is low on CC
Irelia : Their team has squishy mage with insane dmg that count on CC to escape death (like Veigar, you can kill him and end his threat and his stun won't stop you in team fights)
Jayce: you want to win (I'd say he is most OP top now)
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Looks like i'm still playing Riven the old way by maxing W first and Q last as per the old guide.
But i thought it made sense cause W CD scales with level whereas the Q is just a flat 13s cooldown regardless of level. So you will end up using W twice within the period of 1 Q which will ultimately do higher dps am i right?
I'm not a very experienced top laner still.
Riven does fairly well against pretty much anyone, early game she's god like because no one has any defense, not really, she has good harass and can poke very well if you know how to play her.
Jayce is good against almost everyone too.
Irelia is always a safe pick, with a philos you can farm well, even under turret and mid/late game your pretty good.
Rumble can be countered some times, I don't play him so I don't know.
Don't forget that Q has 3 procs, every proc is almost the same damage as an auto attack, so ti's 3 auto attacks procing your passive, which is pretty damn good comparing it to W.
It's not bad going for W, but if you want damage just go for Q or want to clear fast. W is also good for jungle because of the low cd you get by leveling it up so you can stun people more often, same thing applies for top if you're fairing not so good or just want to be able to farm without getting harassed.
Last edited by mmoc58a2a4b64e; 2012-10-31 at 02:25 PM.
I dont understand why you guys follow those solomid guides, you shouldnt be following them letter to letter. You should read them to have a basic idea on how the champion works. After you've played around a few games you should see what YOU think is the best to max first, not what a stupid guide says.
I don't watch guides. I was just giving my thoughts on it.
I still think you can level up W or Q first if you want, but leveling up W everytime over Q is just not a good idea, unless your playstyle is around playing safe and just farming, that's okay, but some times you might miss a kill because of that.
The new tribnal makes fun to me. Broke the 2,3k rating with 90% correct decisions...how high is yours at the moment?
Well actually if you max W the CD on it is reduced, the Q will always have a 11 second cd which is kinda annoying. I find myself using Q as a gap closer a lot whcih just wastes the damage. With W max you get a really short CD stun that also deals a huge burst of damage.
W Scales 1.0 with AD
Q Scales .7x3 - It's 100% vs 210 (You'd have to hit 2 for it to outscale W)
Base damage wise, hitting 3 Q's at rank 5 will give you 390 damage (225 unit knockback)
Base damage wise, hitting 1 W at rank 5 will give you 170 damage (0.75 second stun)
Pure damage wise, Q > W
I would take W for jungling, because having such a low CD stun would be advantageous.
I mean ofcourse it´s bad, but you use Q as a gapcloser when you have to in order to catch them, so there usually isn´t much choice anyways. I just prefer the instant burst and CC you get by W max.
@Post above me
You didnt´count in the fact that a W max riven still has atleast lvl 1 Q with the same ratio+ W on a much shorter CD.
I'm not forgetting anything. For pure damage, Q > W. Like I said. PURE damage.
Max Q + 1 W = 390 + 50 damage (If all hit)
Max W + 1 Q = 170 + 90 (if all hit)
Take into consideration you might get 2 W's off in the space of 13 seconds. That's 340+90 = 430 vs the 1 Q + 1 W = 440.
In the case of Riven's passive it would be better to level W first so you can get more W's in and the 3 Qs. I level W first for the burst and her stun. More stuns means more uses of her passive. And if you aren't using Q to close the gap you can hit more of her Q for more damage. Her W is also slightly better for clearing since it hits all the minions around you, not just the ones in front of you.
I'm actually backing your point lol. It was aimed at Trollspawn
---------- Post added 2012-10-31 at 05:08 PM ----------
Q goes on cooldown as soon as you use the first Q, not the last. Q's arc is also pretty good so it's not TOO hard to hit all targets
Last edited by mmoc2bcebb3185; 2012-10-31 at 03:13 PM.
I still think that Q is better for procing her passive. I don't play Riven as much as I did, but I still believe it would be better to go for Q first.
I remember that her W could clear fast not sure now, I haven't played her top for a while.
Yeah yeah, I just thought it was directed at me because of the, "I'm not forgetting about anything"; just ignore me, I'm kinda grumpy today, lol.