That's not true, we'd have SoO 2.0.
Imagine if instead of putting the budget on those cinematics they moved it over to the raid design team and, given that all the assets are in-game already, did a mini-raid to last until N'zoth in 8.3. The most this patch has is talking points for us spergs on the forums for a week or two, but in terms of actually gameplay content it's barren.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
She would die.
They also had Genn, Jaina, Thalyssra, Alleria, Vereesa and Lor'themar.
Though Sylvanas is indeed strong, she couldn't counter them all, she'd have been heavily gang-banged by them she wouldn't be able to walk till the next expansion(prolly because she would be dead).
Sylvanas lost the Horde because she insisted on doing a villain monologue while twirling her mustache.
It's ridiculously stupid, but Blizzard's going to Blizzard.
That's the reason Sylvanas gave for impaling herself on the spikes on her way down, yes. Also, those weren't normal bullets. That guy used magical bullets throughout his dungeon fight.
Genn already proved himself to be ineffective against Sylvanas in combat, failing to even wound her while scoring a direct hit on her face. Vereesa and Lor'themar would be in the same general ballpark as he has no special powers (and Lor'themar's lack of depth perception due to losing an eye would be detrimental to his aim on top of that). Jaina and Thalyssra would get silenced the moment Sylvanas decided to remember she's a Banshee. On top of that neither could even really detect the magic she used against Saurfang and knew nothing about it, so chances are they wouldn't be able to properly protect themselves against it even if they weren't silenced. The unknown here is Alleria because it's uncertain whether her powers are affected by a silence or not. Then again Sylvanas' voice can also break bones, so not really.
Because Saurfang decided to stand and fight at Lordaeron because he believed there was still good in the Horde. Then he was captured, and Sylvanas blighted the shit out of her own people and nation. Since his defeat in Lordaeron, He has not been in her presence up until this 8.2.5 scene to challenge her. The reason he stayed awol after Anduin released him is because the Horde seemingly supported her after everything she'd done, evidenced by his following and supporters among the Horde being small, as shown in 8.2.5's first cinematic. Furthermore, that cinematic shows how he (correctly) views the Horde's foundations of honor being based on bullshit... and Sylvanas has inherited the reigns of their bullshit. A lot of reasons prior to the conclusion for Saurfang to feel apathetic for the Horde itself... but not for the cause of protecting Azeroth.
As far as the duel goes, Saurfang basically calls out immediately that she won't just one-shot him right away. "You want to make me suffer." It's not so much that he knows she'll say something dumb, but moreso that in the time he's spent with her he knows she's arrogant and impulsive. He saw it at Teldrassil, and anyone who denies that she's that way doesn't know her character. The very first time we meet her she brags to Arthas that he has zero chances of defeating her, taunts him with how to disable Quel'thalas' defenses assuming he won't be able to. Saurfang knows he's going to lose, but he also sees a high likelihood that she'll do something dishonorable in the eyes of the Horde... that possibly she's show everyone what he saw at Teldrassil. Or he gets killed, and the battle plays out the way it would've if he'd yelled "charge!".
But hey, here's the real kicker... you're playing a game that's a comic book, a cartoon, a meme referencing machine, a literary McDonalds quickie of watching green grunties fight bikini elves. Try not to take it too seriously. That's not a defense of "bad writing", that's a reality check for anyone who expects master craft story composers to be popping their heads into your escapism addiction. For every "shoulda happened this way" (mine included), we can poke just as many holes in it because the format of this game obeys one thing: rule of cool. Like for example, the Vindicaar could just completely obliterate Orgrimmar's defenses like it did Antorus... but that's not cool. It's a game where cows can fight pirates one day, then fly off to space and kill gods the next.
She can turn into a cloud and float away, just float back to the wall and keep fighting them off. With the three main leaders dead there's be panic and chaos that she could use to feed all their souls to whatever it is she wants to feed them to.
She's clearly very fast in her cloud form.
I see people mentioning the ability to silence time and time again, but that has never been shown to work on any major spellcasters, such as Malfurion (Darkshore) or Jaina (Ruins of Lordaeron). It's unlikely to be down to Sylvanas not remembering to use it, and far more likely that it's down to them being immune to such abilities, just as Sylvanas is immune to Anduin simply casting shackle on her or something.
Simple, in-game abilities do not affect beings of significant power. Thrall wouldn't be able to kite Garrosh around with an Earthbind Totem etc. As such, a fight involving Sylvanas, Lor'themar, Jaina, Anduin, Thalyssra and Alleria can't just be explained via a simple "who has what ability", because that's not how it would play out.
Basically, it would play out however the writers wanted it to, and they'd completely ignore such things.
It worked on Dar'khan when he had the entire power of the Sunwell all to himself and was making Kalecgos his bitch... And I can't say I recall Sylvanas screaming in War of Thorns. Or Malfurion casting all that much, for that matter. Most of what he did was running away from her. Or against Jaina at Lordaeron for that matter And Thrall outright immobilized Garrosh with his elemental power to the point of crushing him before he decided to electrocute him.
She lashes out when she's emotionally hurt by her family or when Arthas was involved. Not when she's toying with some twerp in combat and they manage to land a hit. She didn't lash out when Genn hit her in the face in their fight. Not even after he fucked her future over.
The point is that if the scream could have flat out silenced them, she would have used it and won both in Darkshore (the duel) and in the Ruins of Lordaeron before flying away (would have prevented Jaina from protecting them). It would have been way too much of an "i-win" button in too many cases. Just like shackle.
So no, Anduin can't shackle Sylvanas. And no, Sylvanas can't just silence Jaina and turn her into a regular woman in an instant. And no, Tirion couldn't use turn undead/evil on the Lich King in ICC. It doesn't work like that with major characters. They may have certain similarities with races/classes that we play, but that's where the similarities end.
That was also my point with Thrall. He used a "shaman-like" ability, sure, but one that doesn't exist in the game. It's magnitudes beyond any playable shaman, and it works on Garrosh because Thrall, in his prime, was considerably more powerful than him. That's usually how things are written: Thrall is vastly more powerful than Garrosh, so he can use some amazing ability to take him out in an instant, showing the difference in power level. There's no logical reason the same wouldn't work on Illidan, but it just doesn't work that way in WoW - they'd completely ignore that and have Illidan do some swooshy crap, followed by a snide remark and then a fel blast to indicate that he's amazing and cool and badass in every way.
Her body isn't invincible, so it would just be destroyed into pieces. I know it's fantasy world, but WoW follows the same law of physics as our world.
First of all - Genn won that fight. She lost, she didn't even fight back. Gripped tightly that bow and... that's all. She couldn't finish him.
Second - she didn't even felt him coming untill he actually said her name, otherwise he would have probably shred her to pieces.
Third - he didn't want to kill her, just wanted to take her future. And he accomplished his goal, unlike Windrunner who just did:
People who tighten their fists shows that they are fighting with something they cannot win, so it's the normal behaviour of someone who's angry because he lost.
Just as she did in Battle of Undercity, right? Don't make me laugh here. Jaina is more powerful, her level is beyond that Sylvanas has EVER shown.
It was enough for her to make a magic ship to destroy that puny walls and frozen the plague. She didn't stand a chance, she lost there also. She had to abandon the city, she knew she was surrounded and coudln't win so ran away.
Animals don't know anything about metals and they surely defend themselves from the knives and other sharp tools, so that argument is pointless.
Too bad she didn't do that in the game or cinematic. She may used that on some weak peasant once and that's all. Anduin would be good enough to shield their partners and make them resistant to that.
So yeah... Nothing in the whole WoW lore, game, cineamtics, books or whatever points that she could win with such a powerful opponents. She wouldn't stand a chance against them.
Anyway, she ran away - so that discussion is seriously not needed. Otherwise she would've just killed them all where they stood. But she's too weak compared to them and didn't show anything more spectacular than themselves combined.
And that's a head-cannon right there mate. It was Sylvanas who ran away from Malfurion.
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Can we actually stop using that Sylvanas vs Malfurion? It gives nothing to the discussion, when she fought with him at the culminant point in the game she was kneeling and moaning with pain with less HP and we all know that she told Saurfang she couldn't win without him(the short novel).
And as it was proven dozen of times - her silence abilites may be working or some low-class mages. Not on someone as powerful as Jaina or Thalyssra.
And I'm talking facts. Not something "she could've done that" - welp, but she didn't. So that means she couldn't.
I could also say "Malfurion could one-shot everyone on the Darkshore but he didn't want to spill the bloods of his druids from the horde".
Too bad she didn't use that, yeah? Welp, probably because their opponents were too strong for that. And she wouldn't even touch any of them, maybe one person, the rest would have wrecked her immediately.
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The fact they didn't just straight up attack once she blasted Saurfang and called the Horde "nothing" is also just plain BS.
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Tbf, a Druid in any kind of Animal form in Legion wouldn't have a scratch on them from getting hit with a Rocket Engine.
But that wasn't rocket engine vs animal. Plenty of times mages of Azeroth were one-shotting people(e.g. Khadgar vs orcs in the Gate to Draenor. I would bet plenty of gold that he would've done the same thing as her with Saurfang. Or we are going to discuss now how killing an old orc warrior with magic means they're omnipotent being? ).
She used magic? Yeah.
Powerful? Yup, very.
Something that could kill them all? Nope(because she didn't do it).
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