I went back to reread my original post and I guess if we're being semantic, yes, it was hyperbolic to say the catch-up mechanism itself was gated behind two months of WQs. But the actual process of going about getting two Legiondaries (assuming you have God tier RNG and don't roll two dogshit pieces) and getting to max AP was not nearly as simple as you clearly indicated in your first reply to me. I don't think it's a stretch to say that it would take as much as two months to get a toon ready for Mythic raiding. If you were a new/returning player in 7.1.5 and you wanted to raid anything above the LFR, you had a very long, very arduous and (imo) very boring journey ahead of you. You clearly have a much higher regard for the expansion than I do, I just wanted to point out that as bad as 40 Anime Power might seem it pales in comparison what you'd have to do in early Legion.
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I just checked my BFA Pathfinder was achieved on July 4th, 2019. The patch dropped June 25th, 2019. That's 10 days after patch drop where flight was obtained.
If it takes 3 weeks of renown the system is objectively worse than the old rep grind. Hell, my 10 days wasn't even that fast. Probably about average for someone doing the Mechagon and Nazjatar rep grind every day.
The fact that it is coming sooner based on life of the expansion doesn't really hold much weight tbh. Me not having flight in 8.1 or 9.0 doesn't really matter since it's not achievable. 8.2 it was achievable in 10 days of average play. 9.1 it remains to be seen because we don't know how much renown we can earn per week. In order for it to match BFA it would have to be 10 renown per week. I'm willing to predict that won't be the amount and it will be in the 3-5 renown per week range.
The thing is flight isn't a necessity because we've been without it but it's just funny that Blizz is advertising the new way to get flight as a better way this time around (No rep grind!) when it's probably gonna take longer than the old way. I won't blame anyone for preferring getting renown every week over grinding a rep every day but in terms of time and efficiency this system will be take longer if they stick with the current renown cap system. Who knows, maybe they do change it and you can earn all 40 renown levels in 2 weeks.
Yeah, I dinged 110 in November 16th I belive on my hunter alt which became main, had 54 traits in early january, 6-7 weeks. But that was with lesser catch up than what 7.1.5 provided. 7-8 leggos at that time too. The first catch up for order hall came in 7.1, the other in 7.1.5. It was also the best time I have had in the game(including Nighthold) where I finally felt that I was powering up my character through proper means, just not gear as we have had in every expansion before.
Anyway, different experiences and opinions, different shit. I do definitely agree that the Renown Catch up crushes any other AP catch up we have had this early in an expansion and have praised it for being such a good way to power up for all, new players as well as those who got alts. I belive in 7.3, or 7.3.2 they added the universal AK and has used that ever since. Even though Legion was great for me, it has been improvement for alts and all those who comes after.
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Not to mention being expected to know what every single mob does, the first pull, in 8 large dungeons, if you ever want to participate in m+.
I have 7 alts, all 7 got to 40 in the same week they hit 60. It's called a catch up system and it's actually not bad, you also get a 195-200 ilvl by finishing the story, doing lfr, running Mythic 0s, and doing WQs all things you can do the moment you hit 60 and finish your story for ilvl.
You seem like the type to post and cry there's nothing to do, blizzard gives you something to do by giving you 40 more levels to grind and you're crying
Like I said that argument is pretty weak. But I'll humor you. 8.2 came out 10 months after BFA launch. 9.1 best case is it comes out end of June which would be 8 months after launch. But if the current systems are in place then that means we would unlock flying 7 weeks after patch launch which would be closer to 10 months after launch. So really it would be about 2-3 weeks sooner? Yay?
I don't know why this is the hill you are trying to die on for this. You can't fly until the patch that has it is released. Someone who played since launch of Shadowlands doesn't get flying any sooner in 9.1 than someone who quit in February and is coming back for 9.1. That's the whole gripe I have here. Blizzard was like "Yay! No rep grind for Flying!" (Which again, took me 10 days in BFA) and then said "Ok do renown. Here's 40 more levels and you get flying at 59"
Current PTR seems to indicate its the same rate as the initial 40 so the 7 weeks after the patch is holding up pretty well. It could definitely change but the system, as I said, is objectively worse than the previous one. It doesn't matter if the Patch comes out tomorrow or 6 months from now. It matters on how soon after the patch is released can you unlock flying. You can't unlock something that isn't in the game yet.
Think of it this way: I quit now and plan to come back when 9.1 drops. Does it really matter that 9.1 drops in June or December? No because I'm not playing anyway and I'm not missing out anything by not playing. Once that patch does drop I hop in. My buddy who has stuck with his subscription comes in too. It takes both of us the same amount of time to unlock flying. So it didn't matter at ALL that I didn't play while he did. So you have to base it on when flight is actually obtainable and not months after the expansion launches. No one is flying right now.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
The "something to do" is really stupid, repetitive and boring, so there won't even be any new players, the entire thread is a what if scenario.
It's more like, "what if retail WoW had new players" lmao.
I gave up on the renown grind, and my friends just straight up quit because of the timegating behind it.
It just feels like very underrewarding chores. With 40 more tacked on, yet too.. Ugh.
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Shadowlands actually brought in a ton of new players. The amount of people with little to no achievement points running around during launch was crazy lol
Oh noooooooooo. Imagine having lots of content to do? How absolutely horrible..
So it would better to reach 60 and then just... nothing but gear anymore?
Also: Renown catchup is laughable fast. I was at 34 one day after my toon dinged 60.
The problem is rather, that it happens so fast they get overwhelmed with new stuff.
You mean 40 renown levels that you catch up to within 1 or 2 weeks, and 40 more that you naturally get just playing the game afterwards?
Oh yeah, that sounds trully traumatizing