I'm no fan of Golden or her writing but nobody should be directing actual hate or vitriol towards an author or anybody working on the game/story.
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This but without the last part
Like I the worldbuilding was great but like the actual story beijg told??
Like they take away the agency of so many characters and the payoff isnt good. Blizzard should stop messing with wc3 frozen throne story cuz everytime they do its for the worse
Also the whole Sylvanas redemption was a wtf moment for me. Like at least have her be a villain to the end or make it so that the moment she acknowledges that she did was messed up have like more ooomph
Saying Shadowlands is worse for the lore is like saying pouring acid on your face is bad for your skin.
Shadowlands was terrible for the lore and took it out back and shot it. I have absolutely ZERO interest in Warcraft anymore, the carnival attraction that is Blizzard is far more fun to watch than any of their IPs are at this point.
How does an expansion that condemns the character white-wash them? She's literally arrested, sentenced, and punished. That is as far from white-washing as one can get. As far as the rest of the Horde goes, there's really not much there for them; there are some individual stories with Draka and Thrall, but beyond that, the Alliance and Horde are essentially non-entities in this expansion.
Think about this. The expansion was about killing her.
And we're sending her on a honeymoon after having to go through therapy for her.
I feel like the plan was to whitewash her but every attempt Blizzard made was badly received so they had to change their plans.
Things that make me suspect that
* The jailer was the bad guy. but in the end it doesn't matter.
* It's Elune's fault and Tyrande chose to leave the revenge. One patch later Tyrande chooses revenge again.
* We need Sylvanas to save Anduin. In the end it didn't help at all.
* We need Sylvanas to beat the Jailer. In the end it didn't help either.
It's like they were going to tell a story where she saved us and she was the good one. But I will change my mind in the last patch.
I don't understand what argument you're making here. What special treatment?
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I don't get that impression at all. The Jailer was the "bad guy" but that didn't lessen Sylvanas' complicity with him. Elune and Tyrande's exchange (at least the way I interrupted it) was not about Sylvanas specifically about the danger in revenge versus healing. While Sylvanas did help us, that didn't make her previous actions any less wrong, and no one (including herself) seems to be trying to downplay what she has done.
First of all it has to do with what each person reads.
But I see it that way.
I see it as a great attempt at "I wasn't, it's that he manipulated/divided my soul"
Conveniently saving Sylvanas in the process.
And by the way, they don't show us anything about "Healing" they only mention it to have a reason for Tyrande not to kill Sylvanas.
Did it really help us? I'm lost on this detail. But do I really contribute something? Or does she just say "can you help us" and then she's just another archer?
I have no fucking idea what the story is. I got hooked on WoW because I liked the old fantasy theme, but once spaceships and timetravel got involved I checked out.
That's fair. Your interpretation is valid. I just see it differently.
Sylvanas herself has to come to terms with the fact she did those things. It wasn't a way to deliver a cop out. They were very explicit that this did not excuse her actions.
I don't recall Sylvanas explicitly coming up. It was a choice between ending your life to get revenge or saving your life. The fact Tyrande is still alive is evidence of the healing, as the power was literally killing her. I also hold out hope that we'll see more come of that decision, given that it's still relatively recent and renewal can take a while.
She helped make the Crown of Wills. Beyond that, I don't think she offered particular aid, but I'm still at Anduin in terms of raid progression, so I haven't seen the last three fights.
Since I can only imagine that you main Horde, I'm confident you haven't noticed the bias. The Alliance villains are put down immediately and no one ever bothers to find another solution, while the Horde villains (Sylvanas, Garrosh, Grommash...) are always spared at the last second because "they don't deserve to just be put down".
No one ever bothered to put VanCleef or Benedictus under trial. Because Blizzard is biased towards the Horde.
I respect your idea highlighted two things.
In BFA that risk did not exist. In more in the same SL there is no such danger. It was just something put in to have an excuse so she can't get revenge.
What's more, Elune takes away his powers just enough so that she doesn't kill Sylvanas but not enough so that Tyrande doesn't kill himself.
This is 100% theory. But I think originally Sylvana was going to be really useful and the "hero" as the meme says. But in the end they realized that no one could stand that pj anymore (the misspelled Sylvanas they have)
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Hmm, let's see.
1. The THIRD consecutive xpac headlining the same character? We might as well call this game "World of SylvanasCraft" at this point.
2. Devs are incapable of telling several stories at once so there's something for everyone, not just the Sylvanas fans
3. If you read Golden's twitter you get the impression the games' lore has turned into some kind of therapy session - how is that fun?
4. Throwing away long built up villains like Azshara and N'zoth in an underwhelming fashion - I know I'm not the only one getting the impression the current lore team wants to wipe out everything that previous writers have created so they can just make THEIR OWN mark without any regard for the world or the fans kinda like dogs marking their territory. Petty. If they were smart, they would use the wealth of villains and world to build upon and give themselves ample time to create new stuff. But no, they just want to see the world burn for their vanity's sake.
5. Still annoyed that they didn't even bother to put Malfurion, a faction leader anywhere in the current game. He's the leader of the night elves and afaik head of the Cenarion Circle but he's not standing around anywhere to just represent his faction. He doesn't even need to have story - just be there like all the other faction leaders in Gnomeregan, Ironforge, Exodar... It just shows their negligence and disinterest in the world and everything that doesn't revolve around Sylvanas.
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It was a Sylvanas bias expansion. Last xpac was Horde bias. Just look at all the expensive cinematics they created for the butcher of Ashenvale while at the same time downgrading Tyrande's model.
He got a lot of expensive screentime, with Sylvanas, with Thrall, with Anduin, too.
I mean, he was ruined as a character just like every other character that was touched by the Sylvanas story. The Saurfang we met in Northrend would never have participated in this genocide. They just took away his agency and made him a whiny "the undead bitch made me do it and I couln't help it" idiot.
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