I dont understand how BC wont be released on top of Classic... What am I not seeing?

[Fabled]

Why stop? thats another good 15years of money nailed into the company books?

Do we really need BfA Classic?

[Tuhokoura]

Do we really need BfA Classic?

No we dont, but Activision might need.

[Iflash]

Yes! What's that "classic+" anyway? Sounds more like a vague dream idea than something tangible.

IMO, TBC is basically what people want from a Classic+. While it does bring some QoL improvement, and class balance, its game design is much closer to Vainilla than it is to WotLK.

[Frolk]

Id love BC servers, way more enjoyable than Classic

[Rigald]

IMO, TBC is basically what people want from a Classic+. While it does bring some QoL improvement, and class balance, its game design is much closer to Vainilla than it is to WotLK.

Would love TBC (my favourite WoW era) to be fair and yeah, the second part of WotLK started the decline in terms of too much QoL and "casualization"

I'm just not sure what's Classic+? Is it new content based on classic? That's exactly what TBD did so I would like to be enlighten on what exactly are people thinking with "classic+"

[Tshark]

Would love TBC (my favourite WoW era) to be fair and yeah, the second part of WotLK started the decline in terms of too much QoL and "casualization"

I'm just not sure what's Classic+? Is it new content based on classic? That's exactly what TBD did so I would like to be enlighten on what exactly are people thinking with "classic+"

From what i know, Vanilla had a lot of unreleased content... that's what i see as the "+"
Now, people suggest that they could even continue releasing "content" for Classic servers...

[healzforu]

Classic+ is the way to go. I give classic 2 years at the very most before Blizzard deem it financially non-viable, unless they roll out community-driven "in the spirit of Vanilla" content. Incorporating elements of BC/Wrath into it isn't a bad idea.

We've already seen an expected drop-off in players.

From what i gather, people wanting a classic+ is added raids/dungeons to the already classic, that will never happen, so stop even thinking about it. They are not gonna make new expansions and also add on content to classic. People wanted classic, enjoy it, they are not giving you more outside of maybe BC

[Lolites]

Nothing to understand, they only made classic to shut the people up who kept saying they wanted classic cause blizzard didn't think it would even be successful, they were wrong, it blew up and it has more active players than retail does, my retail server is a high pop server and org is empty now except for Tuesdays.

Will this last? probably not but classic will still maintain a solid presence of players, this doesn't mean they'll then do TBC, it doesn't work that way. People asked for classic not TBC, if they did TBC then all the people who wanted classic would cry to keep classic servers, they then have 3 diff games out, which isn't smart.
If anything they'll reset servers or add new servers for players to start over fresh again like a Diablo ladder system.

source: dude trust me? or how do you compare two unknown numbers?

[Rigald]

From what i know, Vanilla had a lot of unreleased content... that's what i see as the "+"
Now, people suggest that they could even continue releasing "content" for Classic servers...

Oh really? I tho the unreleased just ended up in later stuff such as TBC but I hardly doubt they gonna create something new for Classic

[crusadernero]

Okay so I need some help here. Couple of threads now talking about how Blizzard will be stupid to release BC as an xpac on top of Classic.

I dont understand whats so stupid about it. People want the "Classic experience", sure. But then what?

Like is everyone on the server just going to farm the same instances over and over, and be geared to the teeth, just to do what? Run around in your awesome gear and kill the same things that you pretty much have on farm and have no use for since you already own every piece?

I guess what im asking is, whats the end game? What am I not seeing?

We level up, we raid, we are full geared... Alts? Whats next?

Blizzard will in a couple of years decide to either make classic+ or just release BC. Or both.

Im leaning on them releasing BC when classic is long overdue. When everyone has had theyre fair share of classic and most people are tierd of it, they will launch BC and we can copy characters over. Probably not all characters, but a few.

I highly doubt people are willing to re-level all of 1-60 again, so a choice to copy will be good.

This will of course happen in 2-3+ years. Blizzard will surely milk this concept for what its worth.

[Ealyssa]

I dont understand whats so stupid about it. People want the "Classic experience", sure. But then what?

Then nothing. Some people are playing classic for 15 years on private servers and are fine with it.

"BC classic", if it ever happens, should be a choice. Not forced onto every players of classic.
IMO classic should be a "museum" of what it was. If a players want to see it in 5 years it shouldn't be "Oh shit, I missed classic. There is only private servers left"

[Tshark]

Oh really? I tho the unreleased just ended up in later stuff such as TBC but I hardly doubt they gonna create something new for Classic

Not all... Emerald Dream, for example and other things.. there are plenty of videos about that stuff .
Well, i don't believe they will do such thing, because simply they don't need to. They can pull TBC, they can pull WotLK they can pull every expansion to feed the masses with what anyone individually wants (we all have a soft spot for "something" old, be it TBC or MoP) were we could always turn when "Retail" doesn't cut it for us and meanwhile don't unsub so Bliz will still get money (not to mention the Pserver audience that will play them because they won't be in "fear" of server getting closed or wipes).

Also they can go Classic+ in retail... They can even have 2 versions of the same zone currently (Darkshore) , they make dungeons and raids valid for max level via timewalking ... what stops them...?

[Rigald]

Not all... Emerald Dream, for example and other things.. there are plenty of videos about that stuff .
Well, i don't believe they will do such thing, because simply they don't need to. They can pull TBC, they can pull WotLK they can pull every expansion to feed the masses with what anyone individually wants (we all have a soft spot for "something" old, be it TBC or MoP) were we could always turn when "Retail" doesn't cut it for us and meanwhile don't unsub so Bliz will still get money (not to mention the Pserver audience that will play them because they won't be in "fear" of server getting closed or wipes).

Also they can go Classic+ in retail... They can even have 2 versions of the same zone currently (Darkshore) , they make dungeons and raids valid for max level via timewalking ... what stops them...?

Fair enough, not sure what's the best idea.. Keeping a classic server and launch a TBC one next to it, it seems dividing... how many players will be there after that?

They can do a lot yeah but will they? Errr

[vindicatorx]

Right. I get that. Thats not what I asked...

The question is, THEN what? Again, you clear every instance, you have ALL the gear you want over several YEARS of playing Classic.

Is that it? It just becomes a frozen state where pretty much everyone who has been playing for years is fully geared out?

So you want Blizzard, who already caved and gave in to a minority, to spend even more time and resources to appease a minority of a minority? And you don't get why they wouldn't want to do this? Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? I mean they don't have to do anything outside of continue on releasing the classic content on schedule. By the time you would get to the BC release how many people do you honestly think will still be enjoying the nostalgia of classic?

[ssviolett]

Okay so I need some help here. Couple of threads now talking about how Blizzard will be stupid to release BC as an xpac on top of Classic.

I dont understand whats so stupid about it. People want the "Classic experience", sure. But then what?

Like is everyone on the server just going to farm the same instances over and over, and be geared to the teeth, just to do what? Run around in your awesome gear and kill the same things that you pretty much have on farm and have no use for since you already own every piece?

I guess what im asking is, whats the end game? What am I not seeing?

We level up, we raid, we are full geared... Alts? Whats next?

You buy Doom - getting through levels, kill bosses, and then you defeat the last boss. Whats next? Move to another game! Or start it over to do some achievements you didnt do before. Same with WoW, eh? Minmax your current char, go to alt or move to another game.

[ParanoiD84]

TBC and wrath was the peak of wow so I'm sure they atleast release TBC servers later on.

[Xemioza]

Yes! What's that "classic+" anyway? Sounds more like a vague dream idea than something tangible.

“Classic+” is Neckbeards wet dream. People want new content added just for classic. Like scrapped Emerald Dream, Dragon Isles, Grim batol etc. Content that was supposed to be released for lvl 60. They want “wow restart” in different timeline, ofc with all the unplayable specs, stupid talents, bosses without mechanics.

[Ragedaug]

IMO, TBC is basically what people want from a Classic+. While it does bring some QoL improvement, and class balance, its game design is much closer to Vainilla than it is to WotLK.

This is a point I've been making as well. Wrath brought many game design changes, whereas BC changes were more QoL changes, class balance, and improving class mechanics that were frustrating for frustrations sake.

On another note, I don't like the idea of tying the TBC servers to the Classic servers though or character copy. IMO, they should be their own Sandbox.

[probert]

Two issues:
- if you allowed people to 'copy' their account to a new TBC launch server, you'd split your player base further -- classic + TBC. some people wouldn't move, and you're dilluting your 'retro' playerbase.
- if you progressed the classic servers in place (like happened in real life), you'd lose the classic experience. so you're then forced to re-launch classic in 2-4 years when people want to go back to a pure vanilla experience.

Finally, there's even mentality shifts between Classic and TBC which some people don't like:

- areanas becoming a pvp focus (and resilience)
- the introduction of daily quests
- more streamlined/linear questing; quest hubs are introduced
- flying mounts
- heroic dungeons.

I'm not sure what the path forward is. I remember TBC being a breath of fresh air when it launched and it fixed many things, but now playing unfiltered classic once again I'm suddenly looking at TBC with open eyes and realizing some of the optimizations were the seeds that lead to retail's current state. we were better off without flying, dailies, and heroic dungeons, and the optimized quest hubs are a bit predictable as opposed to the awkward, world spanning (but character building) questing of Vanilla.

[Rigald]

“Classic+” is Neckbeards wet dream. People want new content added just for classic. Like scrapped Emerald Dream, Dragon Isles, Grim batol etc. Content that was supposed to be released for lvl 60. They want “wow restart” in different timeline, ofc with all the unplayable specs, stupid talents, bosses without mechanics.

Yes that's what I thought... good luck to those people. We will be fine with TBC