Built in Raider IO, plz Blizz.

[Hellobolis]

No it's not. The PLAYERS want a high score game. They want a ranking list just like you have a ranking list in games like CSGO. Raider.io just provides what the players want and if raider.io didn't do that then another website would just do it.

eh, it's not just high scores though. it's also low scores.

i think the system is great once you are above the community established minimum, but below that i think there is some room to tweak the system.

e.g. i don't think scoring +2 to +9 keys adds way more negatives than is worth it and should just be removed.

[Daedius]

They should ban raider IO. Useless number that equates nothing. I wouldn't even run all the dungeons. BiS gear is from 2 or 3 dungeons. Why would anyone waste time doing all these dungeons 500 times? Toxic community only caring about a number next to your name.

It's a metric like many others to measure an unknown player -- a lot of people don't want to waste their time with a clueless person, more so when it comes to Mythic+ that'd cost people their keys.

[Shalaator]

Although i know you are trolling, i just want to comment to watch this thread turn into an absolute shit show. At least try to put SOME effort into your trolling. Your post history says a lot... *popcorn*

???

My post history over the past year is about Black Lotus changes in Classic, which were implemented.

btw, when you faction change, no one can see your IO except those that just recently updated since your faction change. So i'm locked out of pugs atm. It even takes a while to form my own pugs at +15 since people aren't applying (takes about thrice the time).

As far as I'm concerned Raider.io is a godsend, and I wouldn't' group without it either. You can even detect paid carries with the tool when you use it right.

Raider.io is essential to the community for good reason, it's so good it should be built in.

fite me.

[Justpassing]

Give it a few expansions.

[Sorshen]

Remember when gearscore became ilvl? Good times /s

[Shalaator]

Remember when gearscore became ilvl? Good times /s

That was during a time when gear was earned by exposure and experience, and at the highest end, understanding your class and how it interacts with the CD's/abilities and buffs (synergy) of other classes while being able to multitask.

Everyone has 470+ ilevel, so what would gear mean as an indicator for pugs in BFA?

[ashblond]

Built-in Raider.IO is the last thing wow needs.

WoW has already become less social and friendly. And it will kill any remaining social part and push this game dead.

[Biomega]

I mean this does smell like a troll post, BUT I personally think it's not actually a bad idea if we had PvE rating.

The biggest problem right now is a lack of information. All we know about a player when they apply in Group Finder is their class and their item level. Which, naturally, means that selection is made based on that. You could be the best Feral Druid player in the world, but you apply to a +25 key as a DPS Druid and nobody in their right mind will take you just based on that information - not when there are a million Hunters or Mages applying, too.

That is precisely why raider.io was invented - to provide some sort of additional information that is a reflection of the PLAYER and not the CLASS. Remember "bring the player, not the class"? Yeah, me neither. It's been a dead concept for ages now, precisely because Blizzard stubbornly refuses to actually, you know, let us go beyond class in their sorting mechanisms.

But what if we did have that option, built into the game? Think of it as analogous to PvP rating - a single number that is calculated based on your average performance in Mythic+, taking into account the highest keys you have managed to complete (not necessarily in time, obviously bonus rating if you do). It would show up in addition to your other stats, i.e. class (ideally with spec) and item level, and would give people instant information about how good YOU are, as opposed to what's meta right now. Suddenly, if you look at a DPS Druid and they have 3,000 PvE rating you think about them very differently than you do the Mage with 1,500 rating or the Hunter with 1,700. Druid might not be the super meta spec, but this is quite clearly a kickass player - and while that would by no means GUARANTEE an invite, it would make it magnitudes more likely than before.

In essence, this is what raider.io already does - with one big caveat: because it's not inbuilt, it's not visible enough. If it was inbuilt, it could be used a lot more efficiently, and, consequently, cut down on the frustration a lot more. What if, for example, there was an inbuilt filter in the Group Finder, similar to how ilvl works right now. You could set a minimum threshold for people that want to apply into your group (obviously it couldn't be higher than your own rating) and then only see applications from those people who meet your threshold. That would eliminate a lot of unnecessary waiting for people who will never get invited to your group, and it would also increase an incentive for people to actively work on improving their own rating - so maybe they won't leave a key that's no longer in time, because at least they'll still get some rating out of it and that will let them join higher groups in the future.

Obviously, nothing would force people to use this metric - if you want to make a free-for-all group, you still can. If you want to boost friends, you still can. If you want to do viewer runs for your Twitch stream or whatever, you still can. But it would smooth out the matching process a lot better, and would help on both ends of the spectrum. At higher ratings, people will suffer less from "spec prejudice", and at the lower ratings, people will spend less time waiting in applications to groups that won't take them.

We already have rating in PvP, and it seems to be working fine. I don't see a big reason why this wouldn't work in - and improve! - M+ PvE as well.

[Thafuzz]

yeaaahh no, they don´t. It is just a stupid trend that proves nothing but how much time some people have.

I used to play hours and even nearly do it pro, 10 years ago... today I do not have the time. My IO thing is low, yet I can play better than most high IO bums around asking you to have higher IO than they do.
Blizzard should simply ban the whole thing all together, fuck it. Play the game...

People forget that some great players are not ultra hard-core push to 20+ just to get group invites. Some people are great even with low IO. IO does not measure skill. And in most cases your just looking at a score this player has from playing with guildies/friends.

[Swnem]

How about break raider io instead and stop sharing all our details on the armory?

Honestly, this just makes the community that much more toxic and makes the pug scene even worse.

[Krimzin]

If people are going to use RaiderIO to judge then lets see the true picture. It cant just show the best, it has to show the worst also. Meaning. It should be like PvP, if you win you Rating goes up, if you lose your rating goes down. Lets have some balance here. You should be penalized for leaving a group, it should be pretty harsh penalty too. Its easy for people to buy carries and have a decent IO but be bad players. Lets see it all, lets see the whole picture.

*EDIT*
Raider.io is a way for people to judge someone without actually playing with them. This is on the same lines as damage meters. Its part of the reason that the WoW Community is so much more Toxic than other MMOs like FFXIV that prohibit Damage Meters. I dont have an issue with either damage meters or Raider.io.. I dont have a high rating, only 2685 but I still struggle to get into the "Meta" groups, but honestly, I don't care. I have a guild for a reason, so I don't have to pug and If Im not pugging, then Raider.io never comes into play.

[trapmaster]

I rather RaiderIO To GTFO. It's AIDS to society.

[Feral Druid ist Op]

Although i know you are trolling, i just want to comment to watch this thread turn into an absolute shit show. At least try to put SOME effort into your trolling. Your post history says a lot... *popcorn*

this is not mutch of a troll if you server trans and name change you cant play that day and the next one too if youre unlucky with the updates or other ppl dont update for like 3 days even if you try to link them shit form your old pagethey dont care that happned to me alot, there should be some sort of blizz metric like your highest keys this season on x affix

[Hinastorm]

No asdhakjsdhsd

[Luciferstwin]

Jesus.... looking at this thread, and seeing that people got infractions from calling this thread what it is, makes me not even wanna use mmo-champ anymore.

[Echocho]

They should break the damn thing. Make all that info about your character visible to only you

[goldlock]

lmao

This community is at fault and can't even take responsibility for it

It isn't though...

The game moved away from having content be tiered and players being able to sort each other easily into a hodge podge of random gear ilvs wacky enchants and passive effects.

The community needs a way to tell who can do what at a glance and arguably judging you based on the content you have done doesn't seem the worst way to go about it.

[Ealyssa]

They should ban raider IO.

Why ? You don't like it ? Just don't use it ? You are free to create your own group of like minded people not caring about their score. What prevents you doing just that ?
Create a group for your key, invite the first 4 people and see how it goes ?

Or is the problem more likely that you really reeeeeally would like to join those high score groups to get free easy runs but get denied because of your own shit score ?

[razorpax]

It is 100% raider IO's fault for creating a high score game / meta out of that data.

If you think players didn’t do the same shit before that add on you haven’t played the game

[goldlock]

If you think players didn’t do the same shit before that add on you haven’t played the game

It was gear before when gear was mostly constrained to different tiers of difficulty. At the end of the day people want to know if pugs can clear something or not.