Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[Endus]

So you support dictatorship and terrorists ?

You're seriously arguing that "pretty much the entire non-white world" is just "dictators and terrorists"?

There are more people living in democracies inside that green space than outside.

[Cringefest]

Not what I said. I guess reading is not your strong suit.

Exactly what you said.

[downnola]

Even those not on the map, the vast majority of the international community supports the two state solution. What in itself acknowledges the want and need of a Palestinian state and thus country in this context.

The Western support for Israel has dwindled quite a bit over the last few decades and their constant acts of aggression (Think landgrab and disowning Palestinian families of their homes), followed by retaliation has not improved that. But the support from the West towards Israel is a complicated matter with a longer history than most on this forum have been alive for probably.

It's interesting that support for South Africa's apartheid nosedived after the end of the cold war but support for the status quo in Israel/Palestine has not. I suspect the "peace progress" would have moved a little faster if it wasn't for 9/11 and the "War on Terror."

[Specialka]

You're seriously arguing that "pretty much the entire non-white world" is just "dictators and terrorists"?

There are more people living in democracies inside that green space than outside.

Again, not what I said.

[Endus]

Again, not what I said.

Maybe not what you meant.

Definitely is what you said.

[Cringefest]

As there is no new thread i guess discussing any and all Israeli politics will go into here,

I do not know enough about the Politics in Israel to comment on the new PM, it could be a wolf in sheep clothing for all we outsiders know as we often make that mistake looking from the outside in, i know that is the case of many Europeans trying to understand American politics and doing so incorrectly.

But the dethroning of King Bibi had to happen for several reasons and it is good that it did, i hope now the courts can do there work and continue with the prosecution and so the people there will see that nobody is above the law, also pandering to extremists was creating more issues and gave me the impression from the international press that issues that actually matter to the Israelis often had to take a back seat. Although i am not naive in thinking that extremist religious groups won't try to crawl their way into the political machine like they did before and who says that there tentacles are even completely gone with their man out on the street.

Let us hope it can last for a while since as a Belgian i know how difficult it is for a government consisting out of multiple smaller parties with opposing ideologies and barely a majority have a hard time staying afloat and that is under far more stable circumstances.

I am sure the economist or other more reputable journalist magazines will give us a better insight out of what to expect from this new government, regardless a change of power was needed and it has finally come for Israel.

Their policies in regards to the two states most likely won't change.

[Acidbaron]

Well, yes and no, countries are mostly defined if they are recognized by someone else.

Oh but I also do support the two state solution as long as the Hamas is no longer in the picture.

You will not be able to remove Hamas from that picture for the same reason you are not able to remove the extremely religious Orthodox Jews from that picture.
Both extremes keep each other relevant in this game of life and dead, and both benefit from no two state solution ever fully happening.

And this is why the two state solution is also so difficulty and also very improbable, large groups of both the population who are to be considered extremists are needed for a peaceful solution to an extend.

[Specialka]

Maybe not what you meant.

Definitely is what you said.

I'll give you the benefice of the doubt though I was pretty clear. The green areas are where most if not all dictatorship are on this planet. Is that more clear for you ? At no moment did I imply that all those green countries are dictatorship.

[JohnBrown1917]

So most of the dictators of the globe ? Great exemple I guess. And they mostly do it to piss off the West who tend to support Israel and do not want to deal with terrorists (Hamas)

LMAO.


The west only supports Israel to gain influence in the middle east.
Aside from the religious nuts in the US, they do it because of a doomsday prophecy.

[Endus]

I'll give you the benefice of the doubt though I was pretty clear. The green areas are where most if not all dictatorship are on this planet. Is that more clear for you ? At no moment did I imply that all those green countries are dictatorship.

When you point at the green and say that anyone supporting anything expressed by those in that space support dictators and terrorists, that's exactly what you're implying.

Like I said; there's more democratic citizens inside the green than outside, too. You ignored that, though, because you wanted to push an agenda.

[Cringefest]

LMAO.


The west only supports Israel to gain influence in the middle east.
Aside from the religious nuts in the US, they do it because of a doomsday prophecy.

Them guys are the worst. They spread like a cancer too. They're popping up more and more in Europe.

[Specialka]

When you point at the green and say that anyone supporting anything expressed by those in that space support dictators and terrorists, that's exactly what you're implying.

Like I said; there's more democratic citizens inside the green than outside, too. You ignored that, though, because you wanted to push an agenda.

Sure, pushing an agenda on a second or third rate forum, sure buddy. Get down your high horse.

[Acidbaron]

Their policies in regards to the two states most likely won't change.

Considering that the new PM has been bibis former Chief of staff and that it is unrealistic to expect drastic changes to occur on something so controversial by a government with such a fragile majority would be a save bet. I simply hope that the parliament becomes a more hospitable place for arabs from none jewish backgrounds as i believe that is where the real long term working solution is, Palestinians in the Likkud(?) not from the gaza strip but with that background.

[Cringefest]

Considering that the new PM has been bibis former Chief of staff and that it is unrealistic to expect drastic changes to occur on something so controversial by a government with such a fragile majority would be a save bet. I simply hope that the parliament becomes a more hospitable place for arabs from none jewish backgrounds as i believe that is where the real long term working solution is, Palestinians in the Likkud(?) not from the gaza strip but with that background.

As they say, there is always hope

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Sure, pushing an agenda on a second or third rate forum, sure buddy. Get down your high horse.

You're not doing it to "push a political view" or something. It's embedded in your views. There's the Western world, the rest is a bunch of savages. That's how you and many more see it. What you don't realise is things are changing, and the latest G7 is a testament to that. The battle is moving on to the "third world". The West has finally recognised (8 years too late) the importance of stable "developing nations". Just to make it clear, that's the dictators and terrorists you're on about.

[Acidbaron]

As they say, there is always hope

Something you have to believe as the vast majority of humanity exists out of decent people, regardless of what we are made to believe.

[Shadowferal]

LMAO. The west only supports Israel to gain influence in the middle east. Aside from the religious nuts in the US, they do it because of a doomsday prophecy.

Wholeheartedly disagree.
Oil Politics keeps the US involved. OPEC collectively shit themselves when the US became the top oil producer in the world during the Obama administration. Remove the love for oil and Israel would be done.

[Endus]

Wholeheartedly disagree.
Oil Politics keeps the US involved. OPEC collectively shit themselves when the US became the top oil producer in the world during the Obama administration. Remove the love for oil and Israel would be done.

To be fair, that's just one more step of explanation, not contradicting what JohnBrown1917 was saying.

He said "influence in the Middle East". Your points about oil politics just explain WHY they want that influence.

[Shadowferal]

Noted.
Oil embargo in the 70s against the US really affected mideast politics. I'm of the opinion that when vehicle ownership reflects 50% of electric vehicles things will change.

[Easo]

Only warning on this: We're not debating the merits of an ethno-state, especially since the context here implies the removal or killing of people already within a nation. It can easily devolve into blatant racism. That includes trying to debate multi-culturalism.

So would the two other posters, namely Elegiac and JohnBrown here be so nice and remove their comments then? Since they both are clearly not ecstatic about ethostates and made a point of that.

[Santti]

So would the two other posters, namely Elegiac and JohnBrown here be so nice and remove their comments then? Since they both are clearly not ecstatic about ethostates and made a point of that.

You know damn well it doesn't work like that. Not to mention that this is backseat moderating.

Sit down.