Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[unfilteredJW]

One anecdote against statistical data. So nope.

Hahahaha.

How could you even type this with a straight face?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

But what if he was black and shooting people? Would that cause cops to have a meltdown?

"he's black but he's defending his right to the second amendment by killing innocents, what do we do? I am only used to shooting unarmed black people"

The logic process stops at "he's black"

[Specialka]

Hahahaha.

How could you even type this with a straight face?

When was the last time you added something worthwhile to a conversation ?

[Muzjhath]

When was the last time you added something worthwhile to a conversation ?

The data is pretty clear on high speed chase being a horrible tactic and most European police policy tries to not do them.
They take note of plates and mail a ticket, or a court summon.
If egregious show up at door and escort to jail.
Far more often than any chase. Police chases that are actually chases and not escort to safe stop make national news in Sweden.

[Paranoid Android]

A Pennsylvania police officer who shot and killed a 12-year-old boy in Cleveland almost eight years ago has been sworn in as the Tioga Borough Police Officer, according to the Borough Mayor.

That's right folks. If not familiar with name and the story, this is the police officer who rolled up and withing seconds shot 12 year old Tamir Rice who was playing with a toy gun.

A grand jury didn’t indict Loehmann. He was later fired in 2017 for reportedly providing false information on his job application. In July 2021, the Ohio Supreme Court denied Loehmann’s appeal to get his job back.

In December 2020, the United States Justice Department said it wouldn’t bring federal charges against Loehmann. And in early 2022, the Justice Department reaffirmed this decision, saying it wouldn’t reopen the probe into Tamir’s death.

[unfilteredJW]

When was the last time you added something worthwhile to a conversation ?

And have you ignore it for your feelings and anecdotes?

Nah. I give back what you put in. Just go ask your "brother" if you need it explained further.

[Edge-]

https://news.yahoo.com/close-range-r...225026896.html

Yo, why the fuck is recording law enforcement within 8 feet now illegal in AZ? What the fuck are AZ politicians and police worried about being seen?

Exceptions were made for people at the center of an interaction with police, anyone standing in an enclosed structure on private property where police activity was occurring and occupants of a vehicle stopped by police as long as recording in those instances didn't interfere with police actions.

These exceptions make the law seem pointless, especially when you consider how often police lie about events only to have the video eventually show them to be liars.

Kavanagh wrote in an op-ed said HB 2319 was meant to protect officers from potential harm or distraction outside of the incident they were already involved in. He initially introduced the bill with a 15-foot restriction that was later amended down to address concerns it would be unconstitutional.

How many officers have been harmed by observers filming them?

But many people, including First Amendment experts, continued to oppose the bill, stating it was unconstitutional at its core, lacked specificity and granted police too much discretion.

Yo, I'm with Constitutional/First Amendment experts here. This shit seems brazenly unconstitutional. We pay cops salaries, they work for us. We should be allowed to record them in public while they work.

[Howel]

https://news.yahoo.com/close-range-r...225026896.html

Yo, why the fuck is recording law enforcement within 8 feet now illegal in AZ? What the fuck are AZ politicians and police worried about being seen?



These exceptions make the law seem pointless, especially when you consider how often police lie about events only to have the video eventually show them to be liars.



How many officers have been harmed by observers filming them?



Yo, I'm with Constitutional/First Amendment experts here. This shit seems brazenly unconstitutional. We pay cops salaries, they work for us. We should be allowed to record them in public while they work.

My initial thought was that it was to try and protect police and not have them distracted when they for example are arresting someone or whatever, as you quote from the article itself. But aren't cops already allowed to ask you stay a certain distance from them whenever they are doing their job? Because if that's the case, this just seems completely unnecessary as a law, unless of course, you want to give police more power to arrest people filming or confiscate people's filming device. Some kind of sick power move, "oh we are being filmed, just say they were within 8 feet, and cuff 'em as well".

[Edge-]

My initial thought was that it was to try and protect police and not have them distracted when they for example are arresting someone or whatever, as you quote from the article itself.

That's already against the law if they are interfering with an investigation, even if cops will argue that someone standing 10 feet back recording is "interfering" because it makes it really difficult to plant drugs on a suspect or something.

But aren't cops already allowed to ask you stay a certain distance from them whenever they are doing their job?

Yes, and there is a wealth of videos of cops doing this rightfully and wrongfully, including their commanding officers taking them to task when they get up to some bullshit. Sometimes, at least.

Because if that's the case, this just seems completely unnecessary as a law, unless of course, you want to give police more power to arrest people filming or confiscate people's filming device. Some kind of sick power move, "oh we are being filmed, just say they were within 8 feet, and cuff 'em as well".

Well there's the requirement for a verbal warning first, so that's nice. But largely, yes. It just seems to be granting further protections for police to act without accountability. Which is wild since like, we literally pay their fuckin salaries so you'd expect that they're at least mildly accountable to the residents who fund their paychecks.

[Specialka]

And have you ignore it for your feelings and anecdotes?

Nah. I give back what you put in. Just go ask your "brother" if you need it explained further.

Meaning you have nothing to add to any conversation and you are just here to troll and bait. Yet, you are not infracted about that.

[Paranoid Android]

A new Arizona law makes it illegal to knowingly take video recordings of police officers 8 feet or closer without an officer’s permission. Civil rights and media groups including
@AP
have opposed the measure that Republican Gov. Doug Ducey signed.

No accountability at all. Just think of all the vids of police abuse of power and You Know, murder that have come from private citizens.

There needs to be a law that protects officers from people who “either have very poor judgment or sinister motives,” said Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, the bill’s sponsor

This is ironic.

[gondrin]

https://news.yahoo.com/close-range-r...225026896.html

Yo, why the fuck is recording law enforcement within 8 feet now illegal in AZ? What the fuck are AZ politicians and police worried about being seen?



These exceptions make the law seem pointless, especially when you consider how often police lie about events only to have the video eventually show them to be liars.



How many officers have been harmed by observers filming them?



Yo, I'm with Constitutional/First Amendment experts here. This shit seems brazenly unconstitutional. We pay cops salaries, they work for us. We should be allowed to record them in public while they work.

I love this exception:

Exceptions were made for people at the center of an interaction with police

The moment police start to badger you about recording them, you are now at the center of said interaction. The police would have to actually ignore you and not come to you for this law to be a thing.

[Ripster42]

I thought most states already had laws about interfering with police business. I don't see how this law would change anything. 8' right, not 8m? They can already tell you to step back and arrest you if you don't. Some kind of vice-signaling by the GOP is the only reason I can think of to pass this law.

[Elegiac]

Albuquerque police kill a 15 year old bystander via smoke inhalation by setting fire to a house with gas canisters while pursuing a suspect wanted for... hmm.... *checks notes*... they can't seem to get their story straight as to why they were pursuing this suspect, but charges "related to" car jacking and car theft for which a warrant may not have ever actually been issued.

Side note: the victim's father was *also* killed by police back in 2006.

[Deus Mortis]

Albuquerque police kill a 15 year old bystander via smoke inhalation by setting fire to a house with gas canisters while pursuing a suspect wanted for... hmm.... *checks notes*... they can't seem to get their story straight as to why they were pursuing this suspect, but charges "related to" car jacking and car theft for which a warrant may not have ever actually been issued.

Side note: the victim's father was *also* killed by police back in 2006.

NYT article has a lot more detail https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/u...ager-dead.html, it is going to be interesting to see what the investigations find. From the article in your twitter link. Police say:

“In addition to being an absconder for the parole violation, our detectives wanted to get him into custody and attempt to question him for that investigation, as well as separate investigations into a homicide and an officer-involved shooting,” Gallegos said Tuesday. “The fact that he was considered a person of interest in three different violent crimes also led to making his apprehension a priority.”

Right now the story is they signed an arrest and search warrant for him breaking five conditions of his parole. The police were however wrong when they stated to reporters that he had a felony warrant. Article states that:

A parole violation is not a felony and is not handled by a criminal court. Instead, it is adjudicated by the state Probation and Parole board.

Edit:
Man this poor mom. While looking for more info I came across this article:
https://www.koat.com/article/albuque...death/40579647

Albuquerque Police Department is investigating a shooting at the mother's house of the 15-year-old fire victim Brett Rosenau.

The mother had spoken with APD detectives earlier when a friend of her son and an adult man came to her home. The two demanded she returns a dog that fled a residence that her son shared with the friend.

The two fired gunshots as they left the house, APD responded to her call and safety concern, putting a periodic watch on the home.

Rosenau died as Albuquerque SWAT officers tried to arrest Qiaunt Kelley, who was wanted for violating his parole and stolen vehicle charges. Kelley barricaded himself in his home in southeast Albuquerque along with Rosenau.

[DarkTZeratul]

In St. Louis, security guards at a hospital spotted a black man seemingly casing the parking lot. They caught him, beat him, and told him never to come back.

He was looking for his car after a four-day hospital stay for kidney failure; his parking ticket was in his pocket and he still had his patient ID bracelet on.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...24a887324.html

[Endus]

In St. Louis, security guards at a hospital spotted a black man seemingly casing the parking lot. They caught him, beat him, and told him never to come back.

He was looking for his car after a four-day hospital stay for kidney failure; his parking ticket was in his pocket and he still has his patient ID bracelet on.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...24a887324.html

Anything short of an eight-figure settlement from the city would be unacceptable.

Ideally, taken from those officers' retirement accounts before the city purse.

And those officers, obviously, fired for being racist shitheads, and charged with assault and battery and imprisoned for said crime.

[Edge-]

In St. Louis, security guards at a hospital spotted a black man seemingly casing the parking lot. They caught him, beat him, and told him never to come back.

He was looking for his car after a four-day hospital stay for kidney failure; his parking ticket was in his pocket and he still had his patient ID bracelet on.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...24a887324.html

And the hospital tried to cover it up. Fuck the hospital leadership, fire the lot of them, and fuck the security guards, charge them all with the harshest charges possible.

They don't appear to be law enforcement? If not then they don't benefit from qualified immunity.

Why the fuck doesn't anyone like...you know...talk to each other? Or even the security guard who was previously trying to help the guy find his car say anything? Fuckin hope these fucks end up cleaning septic tanks for minimum wage.

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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/amp/a...f-b31325ec6bed

That cops can just fuckin destroy your home and then leave you with the bill is dumb as fuck.

Also, that they did this in the first place.

Homeboy with multiple felony warrants is hiding out in the ceiling? Cool, he's not going anywhere, no need to tear down all the inside ceiling searching for him. Leave a few officers at the property and nab him the second he leaves to go take a shit or because he's thirsty or something.

I swear, American police aren't just not trained in de-escalation, they seem to revel and enjoy any excuse to be a cool-guy action hero and shoot or destroy stuff. Bunch of 'em probably have Punisher logos as their phone backgrounds.

[Masark]

charged with assault and battery and imprisoned for said crime.

Nah, let's go for 2nd degree murder, given that the man in question is now dead.

[Endus]

Nah, let's go for 2nd degree murder, given that the man in question is now dead.

Is he? Then yes.

I'm not sure if that was in the article; I try and limit how much of that I put myself through for the sake of my personal mental health.

But yeah; in general, no more qualified immunity. If your actions aren't justifiable, your own colleagues should be the ones tossing the torches onto the fire at your feet. If you can't handle that, don't become a cop.