Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
In patch 4.1 we'll be introducing Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms, a new system intended to lower queue times. Call to Arms will automatically detect which class role is currently the least represented in the queue, and offer them additional rewards for entering the Dungeon Finder queue and completing a random level-85 Heroic dungeon.

Any time the Dungeon Finder queue is longer than a few minutes for level-85 Heroics, the Call to Arms system kicks in and determines which role is the least represented. In the case of tanking being the least represented role, the "Call to Arms: Tanks" icon will display in the Dungeon Finder UI menu where class roles are selected, and will also display on the UI when the queue pops and you are selected to enter a dungeon. Regardless of your role, you'll always be able to see which role currently has been Called to Arms, if any.

Call to Arms is meant to lower wait times by offering additional rewards for queuing as the currently least represented role. To be eligible for the additional rewards you must solo queue for a random level-85 Heroic in the role that is currently being Called to Arms, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss. Every time you hit these requirements (there is no daily limit) you'll receive a goodie bag that will contain some gold, a chance at a rare gem, a chance at a flask/elixir (determined by spec), a good chance of receiving a non-combat pet (including cross faction pets), and a very rare chance at receiving a mount. The pets offered come from a wide variety of sources, and include companions like the Razzashi Hatchling, Cockatiel, and Tiny Sporebat, but the mounts are those specifically only available through dungeons (not raids), like the Reins of the Raven Lord from Sethekk Halls, Swift White Hawkstrider from Magister's Terrace, and Deathcharger's Reins from Stratholme.

This system is meant to address the unacceptable queue times currently being experienced by those that queue for the DPS role at max level. The long queue times are, of course, caused by a very simple lack of representation in the Dungeon Finder by tanks, and to some extent healers. We don't feel the tanking and healing roles have any inherent issues that are causing the representation disparity, except that fulfilling them carries more responsibility. Understandably, players prefer to take on that responsibility in more organized situations than what the Dungeon Finder offers, but perhaps we can bribe them a little. While this system gives tanks and healers something extra, the incentive is being provided so that we can help players in the DPS role get into more dungeons, get better gear, and continue progressing.

While the gold, gems, flasks, and elixirs are OK incentives, we knew we needed something more substantial. We had briefly considered Valor Points and epics, but decided that wouldn't be working toward the goal of helping DPS players progress, and ultimately wouldn't keep tanks and healers in the Dungeon Finder system for very long. We settled on pets and dungeon-found mounts as they’re cosmetic/achievement items that players tend to try to get on their own, so why not change that up and offer them a chance to get some of those elusive pets and mounts in a way that also helps other players? Even if they don't get a pet or mount, or get one they already have, the gold and other goodies still feel rewarding enough that it won't feel like a waste of effort.

We think it's a pretty solid incentive to get tanks and healers queuing, give max-level players another way to collect the pets and mounts they so desire, and above all, to improve wait times for DPS players sitting in queues. In the case of lower level dungeons, it's actually not uncommon for DPS to be the least represented role, and so if this new system works out and we're pleased with the results, we may consider applying this same mechanic to lower level dungeons as well.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Cakka's Avatar
    DPS: LOWER THE DAMN QUEUES BLIZZARD *NERDRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!*
    after this:
    DPS: WHY THE F*** ARE YOU OFFERING INCENTIVES TO LOWER THE DAMN QUEUES BLIZZARD *NERDRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!*

    PS. anyone can make a tank, theres no dps only accounts in WoW.
  1. Reash's Avatar
    Why are you guys complaining? DPS que times will be lower, isn't that what you want? And all of the things you can get from the bag are obtainable through other means anyway so if you want them that badly then go get them!
  1. Doktor Faustus's Avatar
    I care not for the wall of bullshit and whining found here.

    Get a grip, this will improve things, make you play more and make Blizzard happy.

    Why are so many of you a bunch of whining children?

    Look outside the window - no bombs, no radiation - think youself lucky you can sit at your PC and bitch about this banal drivel.
  1. terrih91's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tregan View Post
    Wow... I really don't like this. Some extra gold, sure. But mounts and pets? Come on Blizzard... This means that tanks and healers, who already have insta-qeues, now also get goodies, just for doing what they normally do?
    The readon our qs are so fast is because there isnt many of us. Lets say there are 30 dps in q 3 heals and 2 tanks k. Thats 10 potential groups but only 2 that can be made due to the low heals and tanks so those tanks are gonna be put in a group as fadt as they can click join while ur in the masses being picked out of a hat. See what they are trying to do? but i still dont agree with it being a good fix. From my tank pov i like it but its meh....
  1. anima88's Avatar
    A lot of you Dps are complaining about Que times, then complain when they are planning to help you? Its not like blizz is giving us tanks a chance at a mount that cant be obtained any other way.... its a good change imo. Stop Whining and take shorter Que times ffs.
  1. Keosen's Avatar
    Nice change we certainly gonna see more tanks queuing.
    There is really very limited solution to the lack of tanks and well a form of "bribing" the tanks to join is the way to go as it seems.

    And of course as usual the MMOChamp community suggest no viable alternative and just whine what a surprise
  1. captin hero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Inimicus View Post
    Honestly, I think it's a pretty solid idea. For max geared tanks, there is absolutely no incentive to run Random heroics, this might alleviate some of the queue times, while also increasing the general quality of players queueing
    bad idea, ppl with tankable classes but lack the gear/know how of that role will make those 30min+ dps queues that much worse
    vote kick system doesn't work right, deserter debuff sucks, or bear through a run that will take 30mins longer than it should
    doesn't bother me im good at this game regardless of class/role though i find healing, hunter, priest, shaman, warlocks boring
  1. Korru's Avatar
    What a cheap way to fix the problem...

    3.3 Wotlk

    Players: People don't want to do Oculus.

    Blizzard: Hey guys, if you complete Oculus you get gems, and emblems, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!

    4.1 Cata

    Players: Tanks don't want to do heroics.

    Blizzard: Hey tanks, if you complete a hc you get gems, and flasks, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!
  1. mmoc47607dc526's Avatar
    from my point of view I cant see the problem, tanking and healing is far more stressful than dpsing, so some extra rewards is not so terrible, if you really care so much about the mounts, get them the old way.

    Its not the best solution, in fact the 'jump to front of queue token' that someone suggested would be far better I think. You complete a dungeon as the call to arms role, then you get a free pass as a dps next time.

    If you want my opinion (Im sure you dont, stuck down on page 30 ) The problem lies more in the class setup for 5mans. In DDO you have 6 spots, and you dont even need a tank, they just help with certain parts. You dont need a healer, if you are willing to use a few heal wands or potions, these roles just help make the dungeon easier. The healing role is more sought after however as clerics and favoured souls are very strong classes. However a good healer is not a healbot, its in fact a CC class. Good clerics for example hardly even throw a heal. Anyway I digress... I think the problem with wow is that we are stuck in this rigid class system. Its stifling the game, making us bench good melees because taking more than 2 in a 10man is bad, making us always do same thing over and over whatever role we pick.

    Lets hope GW2's system of in combat role swaps will kill this outdated system forever
  1. Build's Avatar
    I haven't ran a heroic for over a week. I have no reason too. I got anything and everything for every spec I can get from valor points or from drops. But now.... I'll queue multiple times a day. I just hope it's smart enough to recognize what mounts and pets I have. Only mount I'm missing in the Deathcharger.

    To the DPS, yeah we already instant queue, but that's not a reward, that's just the way it is. There's less of me than you. You want to fix this, roll a tank or healer. I agree entirely with this. More justice points wouldn't tempt me to open the dungeon finder, let alone queue. Now the bag of spoils, that is incentive.

    Edit: You are afraid of getting a bad tank because of this? I get bad DPS all the time, welcome to the tanks world.
  1. dubbelbasse's Avatar
    Yeah I'm sorry, I play as a tank ms, love those mounts and still think this is stupid. I really don't get it! This is will only increase the tank's ego and their sense of entitlement to everything. The instant queues was a reward enough, this is actually pretty damn dumb
  1. Keosen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Korru View Post
    What a cheap way to fix the problem...

    3.3 Wotlk
    Players: People don't want to do Oculus.
    Blizzard: Hey guys, if you complete Oculus you get gems, and emblems, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!

    4.1 Cata
    Players: Tanks don't want to do heroics.
    Blizzard: Hey tanks, if you complete a hc you get gems, and flasks, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!
    Any alternative suggestion Einstein?
  1. mmoc0c9d2d4515's Avatar
    Who cares that the tank "might" get some pretty mount, or the healer.

    Does he/she take it from your inventory? Did he/se steal your drop? Are you crying over other people farming it and getting it earlier then you to?

    Do you realy feel like your 6K dps while hugging fire should reward you with anything else then a votekick after 45 mins in que?
  1. Zoidbergmerc's Avatar
    i have been farming those mounts for years and now u have a chance to get them in heroic's wtf flask + vp + gold would have been ok but now some a bunch of bad player's going to be getting my mount's for doing jack shit
  1. mmoc1325507f8a's Avatar
    Those rewards better be BoA, because as a collector on my main pure dps class I'm otherwise SOL.
  1. dubbelbasse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Korru View Post
    What a cheap way to fix the problem...

    3.3 Wotlk

    Players: People don't want to do Oculus.

    Blizzard: Hey guys, if you complete Oculus you get gems, and emblems, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!

    4.1 Cata

    Players: Tanks don't want to do heroics.

    Blizzard: Hey tanks, if you complete a hc you get gems, and flasks, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!
    And this, basically.
  1. Izzyasha's Avatar
    Lol This will be a awesome bandaid for what ... ten - 20 days then que times will start slipping. Because they got all their goodby bags and really fed up with people quing in and being horrid. Tank jobs arent that hard. They dont require alot of focus and no harder then a dps class. Just have to have a finger on the tab key just in case you have to switch to throw a taunt. If a dps pulls let em die been the law of the land since forever. No need for a sociopath attutude that i am god cause im tank. I soak damage and you merely dps. Dps are just important to this game as any of the three roles set in place. without em most enrage timers would destroy you.

    I dont like this idea cause dps will never have a chance at the bag or the pets... everyone thinks this si about the mounts... but people collects pets and saving money on gem and flasks would be awesome for us when we pvp or need to regem from expertise to mastery etc. I Think If you get in a group with a call to arms memeber the reward bag should be given to each. That way everyone wins. and the people who wouldnt want that want to stroke their epeens over everyone else cause they are on a online ego trip. Its a great idea to me everyone cant complain would encourage ques for awhile.

    But with just tanks well get horrid ones who only want the mount, geared players who skip 4 bosses when a person queing for the random in the first place getting screwed. and a inlfux of people who only wanna complain cause they cant get the same rewards for giving the same effort. Its like your manager getting a raise for presenting the work you did for them, while yoour still worrying if your gonna have a job tomorrow.
  1. Zoidbergmerc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidbergmerc View Post
    i have been farming those mounts for years and now u have a chance to get them in heroic's wtf flask + vp + gold would have been ok but now some a bunch of bad player's going to be getting my mount's for doing jack shit
    well we have 1 retard who cant open his eye's

    ---------- Post added 2011-04-07 at 02:30 AM ----------

    Originally Posted by Korru
    What a cheap way to fix the problem...

    3.3 Wotlk

    Players: People don't want to do Oculus.

    Blizzard: Hey guys, if you complete Oculus you get gems, and emblems, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!

    4.1 Cata

    Players: Tanks don't want to do heroics.

    Blizzard: Hey tanks, if you complete a hc you get gems, and flasks, and a chance at a cool mount, COME AND GET IT!




    that's it right there blizz is out of idea's on how to fix problems in this game




    thou on a another note it does mean that people farming those mounts now have more of a chance to obtain 1 via soloing the dungeon and doing heroic' s
  1. ota-kun's Avatar
    The tanks/healers already have the advantage of the very short waiting time. Now only some Pet/mount collectors will make their hybrid to tanks/healer and hope to get some mount, but when they have all mounts/Pets available. They will most likely stop again tanking/healing afterwards.

    Sure some may change their main spec, but the guild may not need the spec, because they already have good tanks/healers.

    IMO it's only a short minded change. In the end more or less nothing changes, only that tanks/healers get plenty of flasks/gems/pets/mounts (and if they don't the will stop going heroics either way)
  1. Callypso's Avatar
    All people see is the 'small chance at a mount that dps will never get!!'. Oh man, the stupidity in this thread.



    I'll sum it up for you.

    - Right now, as a dps, you spend 20-30 minutes in the queue due to (mostly) lack of tanks. THIS CHANGE IS TO LOWER THAT TIME FOR YOU! Why would you care what the reason of that lower time is, if you're just signing up for the valor points and/or gear anyway?

    - It's not just mounts: It's gold to begin with, and in addition you have a CHANCE at getting a pet, mount or raid consumables. And you can get mounts/pets that you already have, most likely.

    - All the mounts mentioned are shiteasy to farm as any class. It's easier to just farm them in 10min in their original instance then spend 30+ min in a random hc hoping you a) get a mount, b) don't get a mount you already have. If it's mounts you want to farm, it's a lot easier to farm them in the old content than through this way.

    - Right now NO ONE signs up for random heroics to farm these mounts. So for the non-call at arms people signing up, all that changes is a queue time that's most likely lower... does it matter if someone else might get some extra gold, if all you're interested in is gearing your alt?


    This will encourage people to sign up more as healers and tanks. Personally I always sign up as one of those since I hate waiting. This will make heroic farming a lot more enjoyable on my alts that CAN'T tank or heal!

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