Patch 4.2 - PTR Build 14179

Originally Posted by Difuid

I would understand you if non of the above could be dispelled, but unfortunately all of them are magic debuffs which can be removed by a plethora of specs.

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Seems like all the moaners forget about the fact that RoF has a 3 second delay AFTER it is placed before it starts freezing. While Hungering Cold is instant in both regards.

Plethora of healing specs, lol.

And you can throw RF where you want to. You can't HC anywhere, that's why it's instant since you need to be meleeing the targets to use it. Just the fact that the mage can throw that where he wants and made ppl there move from it (breaking their casts! You just won there, there is no drawback on it since you at least interrupt ppl casting to move from it, and you protect yourself from melees if you stand on it!). If you can't get melee on a target, you can't HC. Except for melees (and some of them can just ignore your HC like another DK using AMS when expecting a HC inc), ranged ppl didn't have that much problem. He HC you... but well... his purpose is to kill you, so he'll punch you and break it... lol and bgs... good luck keeping ppl blocked there... RoF "I used it, stop casting and move now while I kick your ass from far away LOLOLOLOLOL" is way more effective.

And arenas? lol... always was a game of comps countering comps and comps that trumph most of the others (and good old comps stayed competitive anyways, just an extra comp avaiable now for a now viable spec) and we DO have a "plethora" of classes/specs that can give you the same problems as a HC can on them with instant aoe stuns, aoe fears, etc... that will be way more deadly (stay there stunned while I bladestorm the hell of their asses).

And yes, right now, if this change goes live, HC became useless in PvE, wich should make it not a mandatory talent anymore for the spec.

Not overly bothered about Hungering Cold change. Though it seems kinda naff for it to have a cast time. I'm sure there are.better ways to fix this than adding a cast time.

The DK changes are stupid, along with Mages un-nerfing. But I don't care, so long as my warlock doesn't get any more nerfs.

the DK nerf isent that big, tbh i wish ya got nerfed even more.. more DK tears plx.

but the feral nerf WTF ?
# Ravage! additional damage seems to be reduced from 3218 to 330, but that's kinda sketchy so you might want to wait for a confirmation.
i dont play druid, but if this is true its a much biger nerf then the DKs got.

Quit with the QQ,ing over mages and find another class to QQ about. Just for a change. I dont see many people complaining about Hunter and there totaly Op at the moment.

Was there any exploit arround Wrecking Crew since they are changing it from all dmg to only physical?

Originally Posted by Laina

The 150-pet achievement seems a bit odd. It seems almost impossible to get without buying pets from the blizzard store, which isn't something every can do.
Wasn't it Blizzard's stance to have achievements achievable by everyone, not just those with access to a creditcard?

It is possible without buying pets from the store. But you will need almost every seasonal pet or old event pets and so on. I currently have 146 pets , and i still need 2 alliance argent pets. Then the 2 pets from the 100 & 125 pet achievement and i'am done ;D. But i have to say that i have the collectors pets ( no blizzcon pet though ).
Funny thing is that i don't have all the Childreens Week Pets because i deleted 2 of them in Bc and Back in the Days when the First Childrens Week was introduced i took the bag of gold XD'

Originally Posted by Vasz

This is another problem I have a hard time trying to understand. They nerf the crap out of frost DK's Obliterate, im guessing because it hits too hard .... And they buff Arcane Blast ..... the biggest nuke in the damn game.

How can you have trouble understanding this?! Arcane blast counts for about 85% of an Arcane Mage's damage because the other spells used hit for very little, DK's have a range of abilities that deal amounts of damage over a wider range (and over time). Different classes work differently ya'know.....

i call BS on the shaman "change".
Maybe they are trying to sell it to us agin "HEY LOOK, we totally changed Fire Nova for you!!"

Long time mmo-champ viewer here and even longer mmorpg pvp player, since 2001.

Blizzard: Frost DK doesn't need to be looked at or adjusted as long as mages and rogues are so completely broken and over the top with their abilities in pvp.

Melee classes should not have cast times on abilities, it makes the game a lot less fun, and it doesn't flow correctly. Not a single warrior I know including myself likes having a .5 sec cast time with talents on slam, a melee ability that pauses the auto attack swing timer. Shattering throw has been clunky and stupid ever since it got a 1.5 sec cast on the PTR. It's not fair or fun, especially when you compare it to a priest who is being trained by two melee behind boxes in the sewers and facing away from the paladin who just bubbles on the other side of the map and just got .5 sec mass dispelled via ground target. It's not balanced is it blizzard?

Ring of frost should really be removed from the game but since that isn't going to happen, put a 2 sec cast time on it, not 1.5, and clearly not 0. Far too many instant abilities in the game for dps casters. A mage in the hands of a good player is already a total nightmare, they don't need a huge instant ring of frost.

Thanks for your time.

Edit: Cheap shot opener or garrote opener with a mage deep freeze right into smoke bomb twice in every arena game is the complete opposite of fun. Please fix that.

anyone know if all my valor points will be turned in upcomming patch into lower justice points? Like in previous big patch with new tier.

I have used hungering cold many a time as a clutch CC for bad heroic trash pulls. It will be sad to see it go to 1.5 second cast time.

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Originally Posted by Orinoco

How can you have trouble understanding this?! Arcane blast counts for about 85% of an Arcane Mage's damage because the other spells used hit for very little, DK's have a range of abilities that deal amounts of damage over a wider range (and over time). Different classes work differently ya'know.....

I don't know about 4.2, but in 4.1 Frost DKs main ability is obliterate. Other than obliterate you have 2 diseases to apply and then use frost strike to dump RP. That is about it in a nutshell. Frost DKs have been greatly simplified so they really don't use a wide range of abilities to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Segi

anyone know if all my valor points will be turned in upcomming patch into lower justice points? Like in previous big patch with new tier.

Valor gets turned in to Justice Points and current Valor gear becomes purchasable with Justice Points.

I can't remember what happens to your current Justice Points. I know you'll lose them, but I am not sure if you will get gold compensation for them when they are removed.

It actually makes no sense for any melee to actually have to cast anything. If they wanted to nerf it, they should of just increased the cooldown or reduced the duration.

Also, I guess warrior's fear will have a cast time too inc?

Originally Posted by Seolla

It actually makes no sense for any melee to actually have to cast anything. If they wanted to nerf it, they should of just increased the cooldown or reduced the duration.

If DKs could still move while casting Hungering Cold, it would still be useful in pvp.

Oh, a DK nerf, how innovative.

Ring of Frost: 1.5 Sec cast and 2 secs for activation. That way it can be interrupted.
Hungering Cold: Only affects melee range. If I get lucky (arena) I get 2 freezed targets of which one is going to go free cos he is my main target and the other can be dispelled. It's not that OP in arena but if you must, replace it with a Repentance-like ability and I bet most DKs wil be happy.

Originally Posted by Tigor

" * Fire Nova now affects the shaman's Flame Shocked targets instead of its active fire totem."

Eh..that's not exactly new.

yeah, this datamining doesn't seem very accurate since this was changed back in 4.1..

the shaman thing is most likely a tooltip error correction

considering it already does what it says anyway.

They should just change HC to be a regular one-target CC already. With this change they're making it practically useless anyway.

the ferocious bite heal is from the glyph they accidentally mixed in the glyphed tooltip for the official one.