Vagina is actually the closest thing to the supreme evil:
it enslaves us;
it drives us insane;
it drains your wallet:
yet, we never get enough of that!
Vagina is actually the closest thing to the supreme evil:
it enslaves us;
it drives us insane;
it drains your wallet:
yet, we never get enough of that!
Because of a male-dominated society, "he" is the common pronoun used when referring to things that are even supposed to lack gender.
Honestly, it really shouldn't matter if the demon is a he, or a she, or both. Provided it supplies sufficient plot and fits it's role well, it's fine.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Are you trying to show me that Blizzards stance on how things should be, according to their own constantly shifting ideals and visions, can change? Because that's a given fact. The evils, in whatever lore you might face, are genderless. They do, however, have a prefered physical manifestation. In Angel Sanctuary, Belial is female, although he/she herself contests this by saying that he/she is genderless and simply chose a form he/she likes. In the middleages, temptation was female, other forms of evils, or angels, were strictly male.
In Diablo, Diablo himself has always chosen a male form. If we assume that they are genderless, than it should be their mindset that dictates what they look like. I don't think I can buy the "CUT III, today I'd like to explore my more feminine side". Diablo III, regardless of how they explain it, is a continuation of the series. Physical appearances aren't like dresses. Especially not when it's more like extreme make-over.
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Which doesn't mean I won't play it or won't enjoy it. There simply is no real reason behind this change of appearances and is definitely not required or wanted by the fans.
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I'm just saying there's probably a better lore-based and art-based reason for the change than 'lol guys like boobs, this will get us MOAR MONEY', like some suggested.
To be honest, I think remaking the same character 3 times in a row would've just been boring for them.
Also, their physical appearance in sanctuary isn't very definite.... seemingly. Perhaps, if Leah is indeed who was possessed (plausible if not exactly 'confirmed'), she, with her heritage, hasn't let Diablo be in complete control and is influencing his mind and thus his physical form?
I do indeed think it's more of a design choice than a lore choice. Which is actually exactly why I oppose this change. If Leah, presumably, has that much influence on his mind, how does the world suddenly become hell? "Oh hey, let's only keep the genes that control handgestures, make-up and physical appearance". Sure. Ok Blizzard, we buy it. The game, that is, not Diablo's new feminist side.
If an evil, immortal being CAN take on any form, I'm not sure why you're dead set on the idea that they NEVER will. I would imagine even the most evil of immortal beings gets bored with their appearance from time to time. If we go by the "Leah is posessed" theory, Diablo could maintain a slightly feminine form simply because it makes the player/other heroes who want to save Leah think that she's still in there. I mean we've all seen shows where the evil being allows a little bit of the person they've possessed to "slip through" in order to goad the hero onward.
Somewhat tropey? Sure, but just because it's tropey doesn't mean it can't be well done.
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I'm not entirely dead set on a single form. Going from male to female, I find that odd. In the least. If a demon wants to look like a big pile of meat with enormous spikes, why? Their own image is a form of ego. Ego is self, self is psychological and if it's psychological, it would be odd to go from a male to a female form, when the ego has clearly passed itself as male in the previous lore.
All of that said, I can see many, many B-movie ways out of this. Which is exactly why they're B-Movies. The script never makes sense.
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I dont know all of you. But nothing reminds me more of "Lord of Terror" than some feminine figures.
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I think you're ascribing far too much humanity to a demonic entity. If you were immortal, incredibly evil, and had the power to appear however you looked, while you may have a preferred form or a "default" form, your goal would be to inspire as much fear/hate/terror in your enemies as possible, if that is more readily accomplished with a suggestively female form, you do that.
True, but they tend to be cult hits all the same. :-pAll of that said, I can see many, many B-movie ways out of this. Which is exactly why they're B-Movies. The script never makes sense.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Without trying to go too deep into this.
Originally, Lucifer, was called Lucifel and he was one of the Arch-Angels. One of the closest to God. When God created man and started to love them more than his earlier creation; the angels, Lucifel and a great many other angels felt wronged (emotion) and turned against God.
This is summarized, but is essentially the background story for the existence of demons. Belial supposedly had the greatest part in turning Lucifel against God, especially in the psychological department. She(it) twisted and turned the words of God and wrecked havoc in the hearts of many angels.
When Lucifels band of angels eventually physically opposed God, God cast them into hell. Hence, demons only exist because they have emotion and are very human in nature.
Last edited by Vespian; 2011-11-07 at 07:31 PM.
I understand this, but I'm saying you're looking at it in the wrong way. It's not that evil entities lack emotion, they're like Sith, they revel in it. I'm saying they lack the same self-perception of a "male" and "female" dichotomy that humans do because they were never explicitly one or the other, and never had to be. It is humans who perceived them as "male" or "female" even though the angels themselves have often expressly stated that they are neither and could choose to appear as either. In fact if we're going Biblicaly, many angels and demons lack a humanoid form at all, 600 wings and all that with a great eye floating above their head, or 4-heads, each of a different wild beast.
While angels and demons have humanoid emotions, they lack the gender roles and structures of humanity, and only take on appropriately gendered forms in order to better be understood or to better take advantage of humanity. Their appearance is an extension of their desires and how others wish to perceive them more than how they perceive themselves. Again, while they may have some "default" form, it is generally a genderless, inhuman shape.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Shrug, no point in discussing it any further I fear, since it'll come down to opinions in the end. Possession of some kind would make sense if you look at the near-human form, which in itself doesn't conflict with the jealousy towards human beings. And there are no actual boobs, just ..manplates..of some form..
I just can't imagine this form containing a voice or roar of great volume. I'd imagine a more leopard like form of movement in this shape and more rogue like features. To me, Diablo is a powerhouse. Let's hope at least that part didn't change.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Not gonna lie, Diablo's supposedly 'feminine' new form still looks like he/she could beat the snot out of me.
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Their bodies in Sanctuary have been non-concrete manifestations since D2, with the soulstones. Diablo didn't have a body in Sanctuary until he took over the hero from D1/Leoric's son.