Why are the orcs and draenei still at war?

[GennGreymane]

orcs are smelly

[mistuhbull]

You mean the one who did nothing but insult and attack the Alliance King on every opportunity while Saurfang did all the work on his own?
If anyone deserves credit for Horde's Northrend compaign then that's Saurfang alone, no one else.

And Washington was, by most accounts, a piss poor general. Doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day Garrosh was in charge of the Northrend Campaign, and the guy in charge is who gets credit for the victories

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orcs are smelly

says the dogman who lives in a country where it almost always rains...

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And Washington was, by most accounts, a piss poor general. Doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day Garrosh was in charge of the Northrend Campaign, and the guy in charge is who gets credit for the victories

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says the dogman who lives in a country where it almost always rains...

Except Garrosh has 4 nations against him. Vol'jin only has 1 against him. The goblins probably don't care about either side and pick the one that pays them the most.

[Lightfist]

Draenei came to Draenor (the home world of the orcs) from Argos, and the legion followed the Draenei. The legion made the orcs green.

How do you forgive an entire race for basically dooming you to years of brutal bloodlust, sure the orcs were already a fairly brutal race but nothing like what they were after the legion got their hands on them and had them drink Mannaroth's blood (twice)

Haha, been a while since I've seen this argument. It never gets old, it's always exactly as nonsensical as the first time I heard it.

"Oh, the poor Orcs! Those Draenei deserved to be brutally raped and killed for leading the Legion to their homeworld - nevermind that the Legion would have found it eventually, and that they would have just killed the Orcs otherwise! Boo hoo!"

[mistuhbull]

Except Garrosh has 4 nations against him. Vol'jin only has 1 against him. The goblins probably don't care about either side and pick the one that pays them the most.

So we've moved from: Entire Horde, to Almost all the Orcs, to Well, it's a lot of the Horde. Dem goalposts.

Though, even as 4v1, I imagine that it barely beats out the number of Orcs (with a very large bulk of that being Forsaken who honestly just pick the side that is best for them and fuck everyone else).

The (relevant) rest of the Horde are; Tauren who were almost driven to extinction by the Centaur before joining, a single tribe of Trolls, the remnants of an almost utterly decimated people, and zombie hordes

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The (relevant) rest of the Horde are; Tauren who were almost driven to extinction by the Centaur before joining, a single tribe of Trolls, the remnants of an almost utterly decimated people, and zombie hordes

People are still using that as an excuse? LOL

The Tauren and Trolls have had many years to grow, the only faction that's is on a rapid decline are the Forsaken. Orcs aren't as numerous as you think they are.

[mistuhbull]

People are still using that as an excuse? LOL

The Tauren and Trolls have had many years to grow, the only faction that's is on a rapid decline are the Forsaken. Orcs aren't as numerous as you think they are.

Many years to grow? You are aware that the Battle for Mt. Hyjal against Archimonde is, at most, 15 years prior to current WoW?

Assuming human growth rates, you're looking at maybe 1 new generation for each race

Still yet to really counter the point that was being made btw.

[Aquamonkey]

Haha, been a while since I've seen this argument. It never gets old, it's always exactly as nonsensical as the first time I heard it.

"Oh, the poor Orcs! Those Draenei deserved to be brutally raped and killed for leading the Legion to their homeworld - nevermind that the Legion would have found it eventually, and that they would have just killed the Orcs otherwise! Boo hoo!"

The Legion would not have found the Orc world. It took the Legion 1000 years to find it while actively following the trail of planets touched by Draenei magic. This planet was so well hidden from the Legion, the Draenei settled there after running for 24,000 years.

[Verdugo]

"Oh, the poor Orcs! Those Draenei deserved to be brutally raped and killed for leading the Legion to their homeworld - nevermind that the Legion would have found it eventually, and that they would have just killed the Orcs otherwise! Boo hoo!"

They totaly deserved it for being such an asspull.

[Sandrox]

Haha, been a while since I've seen this argument. It never gets old, it's always exactly as nonsensical as the first time I heard it.

"Oh, the poor Orcs! Those Draenei deserved to be brutally raped and killed for leading the Legion to their homeworld - nevermind that the Legion would have found it eventually, and that they would have just killed the Orcs otherwise! Boo hoo!"

Theres really no point arguing with horde fanboys, they will always just convince themselves that the Horde are the victims no mattter what happens.

[Shampro]

Theres really no point arguing with horde fanboys, they will always just convince themselves that the Horde are the victims no mattter what happens.

XD The irony in this post.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

XD The irony in this post.

There would only be irony if he had said something along the lines of "Alliances are the true victims! Or I'm an Alliance fanboy!" why are you assuming that he isn't neutral, or plays only Horde but doesn't think they are victims?

[Achyra]

Cause Plot.

[Cwimge]

Well the whole "you almost exterminated my race" thing is going to take a while to get over

[Deleted]

so just to get it clear;

Vol'jin threatening to kill someone for trying to take the Horde in a direction he disagrees with: Ok, peachy keen, best dude eva
Garrosh threatening to kill someone for trying to take the Horde in a direction he disagrees with: WTF FACIST EVIL DOUCHE BAG

Vol'jin threatens to kill a tyrant.
Garrosh threatens to kill people, because he's a tyrant.

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Someone missed the part where the Orcs (who make up the vast vast vast bulk of the Horde) LOVE Garrosh (especially when Vol'jin made his first threat and became everyone's wet dream)

A lot of the other races, including their leaders have a problem with Garrosh, which will lead to the Siege of Orgrimmar. Also a lot of his orc supporters might think again about whether they should really support him, after what he's done to his own people with the Bell.

[Aquamonkey]

Unless the Horde recruited Orcs from Outland, they should only have whomever survived the 3rd War. And going into the 3rd War were only those who survived the 2nd War and their children, most of whom were imprisoned/enslaved. There were also clans of Orcs in Azeroth that weren't part of the 2nd "New Horde".

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I mean, Germany had their last genocide about 70 years ago and they're now allies with all of their targets.

Bravo, you invoked Godwin's Law as TS.

And the Germans weren't even corrupted by intergalactic demons

Since you're comparing fiction with non-fiction, allow me to hop in.

[Wyrt]

The Dranei are 100% to blame for the "war" in Warcraft. They lead the Burning Legion to the Orc home world, I refuse to call it Draenor because it is only called that because of the Dranei. Had the Dranei not shown up the Orcs would never have been corrupted, never used to build the Dark Portal and never would have step foot on Azeroth. If they want to make a real, legit, expansion it should be one where everyone teams up to erase the Dranei from existence. If you don't race switch by the end of the xpac your character is destroyed.

You do realize that the burning legion goes from world to world killing everything or corrupting it right? Kil'jaeden favors corruption(like he did to the orcs) and Archimonde favored killing everything. The legion would have made it to Draenor regardless of the presence of the draenei.

There also wasn't a whole lot the draenei could do about being on Draenor. K'ure was dying so they had no way to leave the planet.

[Aquamonkey]

You do realize that the burning legion goes from world to world killing everything or corrupting it right? Kil'jaeden favors corruption(like he did to the orcs) and Archimonde favored killing everything. The legion would have made it to Draenor regardless of the presence of the draenei.

There also wasn't a whole lot the draenei could do about being on Draenor. K'ure was dying so they had no way to leave the planet.

The Legion would not have found the Orc world. It took the Legion 1000 years to find it while actively following the trail of planets touched by Draenei magic. This planet was so well hidden from the Legion, the Draenei settled there after running for 24,000 years.

That didn't stop them from leaving the planet later.

[Wyrt]

The Legion would not have found the Orc world. It took the Legion 1000 years to find it while actively following the trail of planets touched by Draenei magic. This planet was so well hidden from the Legion, the Draenei settled there after running for 24,000 years.

That didn't stop them from leaving the planet later.

The Legion has found and destroyed countless planets. Draenor would be found, probably not at the same moment in time, but eventually.

They left on the Exodar. The Exodar wasn't there until Khadgar connected with A'dal and brought the Naaru to Draenor, before that there were only 2 naaru, both were dying so Oshu'gun wasn't operational. You really think the draenei would stay on Draenor to get slaughtered if they had a way off?