He just that he keep an eye on it. He didn't say that it will be nerfed right away. It would of have already here if it was found to be too strong.
It's more likely it will wait the little redo for 5.3.
He just that he keep an eye on it. He didn't say that it will be nerfed right away. It would of have already here if it was found to be too strong.
It's more likely it will wait the little redo for 5.3.
First, you're either counting LB's explosion as a tick, which it isn't for the purposes of brain freeze, or you're reading your spells wrong. NT's base ticks is 12. You can't go 5 LB/12 NT. So you're also saying your mage has literally no haste on it. Secondly, LB has a 25% chance per tick to proc, and NT has 9%. I don't know what you're on about with 15%.
Your grasp of probability is lacking, even if your 15% proc rate were correct. If you calculate the probability for each number of proc chances, you're going to end up with roughly the same number for both bombs, barring some freak times where you get more procs than LB can tick.Theoretically the magebomb has to tic 6 times to proc Brain Freeze.
NT can theoretically proc back to back. You're also just as often going to lose procs by having it chain proc during a cast, or even a single global at higher haste levels. It can be a boon, and you can also want to punch your monitor.LB has a chance of not proccing during the duration NT has a chance to proc 2 times during it's duration.
Yes, it is. Sadly most people don't do that well with math.It is just easy math to chose which one you should go with on a single-target fight.
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They probably just don't want us multi-dotting.
At most NT/LB will be limited on one target like Frost Bomb. If there is any dignicant drop off in DPS, they will probably adjust the damage.
Last edited by Kuni Zyrekai; 2013-04-01 at 09:16 AM.
Which is funny because Fire is middle of the pack on most fights, Arcane is near dead last on almost all of them, and Frost is lower-middle to middle.
If anything, they'll revert the buff and buff us somewhere else. If we lose any more DPS, we won't be brought at all (like we were pre-buff)
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This would be the most retarded idea if they actually implemented it. That would effectively make LB a pointless talent (which it's close to already), and NT would lose a ton of its flavor. Also, if I don't get to see Arcane Fish anymore, I'd be extremely pissed off.
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... What?
LB has a 25% chance to procc BF, and that doesn't include the explosion (so 4 ticks)
NT has a 9% chance to procc BF, not 15.
4 * 25 = 100
12 * 9 = 108
[Yes, I'm aware this isn't how probability works, just roll with it]
While on average, NT will procc more BFs than LB, it's a lot more RNG and unexpected.
Also if your haste level is so low that you're getting 0 additional ticks, no offense, but you shouldn't worry too hard about min-maxing
Still wondering why I play this game.
I'm a Rogue and I also made a spreadsheet for the Order Hall that is updated for BfA.
How would LB be pointless. It would be the mid ground between NT and frost bomb - it's instant + long DoT duration + AoE detonation. You can't spread it anymore anyway.
NT would still function the same - a DoT that randomly tick on a nearby target - just that you can't DoT everything in sight.
Bombs should go back to their respective specs and Blizzard should lower their heads in shame and come up with actually creative and interesting talents.
nice way to derail the topic in hand lol.
Anyway, with regards to NT I see no major issues with it, however as stated before, GC is "keeping an eye on it" which basically means he is gonna reduce the numbers at some point, assuming he doesn't deviate away from the current "some people are complaining to loudly about mages..... very them to keep the masses happy" routine
I have never used NT, I get the same results in PvE with frost bomb due to better cooldown coordination.
NT is too rng on BF, I have actually gone and burned whole icy veins (glyphed) without getting a single BF proc from NT, with frost bomb I can coordinate all my cooldowns and burst a ton more dps with icy veins+AT.
Stop supporting NT, 2nd worst mage spell ever made right after rune of power.
I find it surpremely depressing that they feel like they have to "keep an eye on NT". The only buff we got in a while, and it's a disappointing one at that, and they still just *might* nerf it again.
I'm so tired of it. I played Fire on Lei Shen last night and it went well, I didn't have terrible RNG and I messed up because I wasn't used to Fire in that fight but it went better than expected. But I already know that sooner or later Fire will get nerfed *again* because they can't fix the damn scaling. So much fun to play knowing you'll 100% get a nerf in the coming weeks or months.
I will switch classes when the chance arises (main problem, all the classes I'm interested in are already taken in our raid). I hope many other mages also switch. Warlocks got their overhaul because they were underplayed (which I really don't get, they're an interesting class, especially after the revamp). But given how strong Mages supposedly are in PvP I don't think their numbers will drop too much. Although I hope the number of Mages in PvE drops noticeably, maybe then Blizzard will finally realize the class is boring crap with little to no unique utility.