If you wanted to see Thrall use his shamanistic powers you should have tried attacking him in WoW.The last time prior to this was him using them in "Lord of the Clans" to help him escape... and that's pretty much it. (Note: I never played WCIII - so I assume that game has some shaman stuff in there too?)
The next case from that point on of when his Shaman powers were brought up would be at Blizzcon when Metzen told us "Thrall is Azaroth's most powerful Shaman".
...seriously... there was no transition at all. Just Metzen declaring him as such...
Lord of the Clans and WC3 was all that was needed to establish his shamanism. There was no reason to keep bringing it up in WoW, though they certainly did. Maybe you're Alliance and don't know, or maybe you're Horde and just didn't register when he made references to the spirits. And need I remind you they didn't really start doing heavy storytelling with main characters until LK.
Shamanism in WC seems subject to change from one story to the next. I'd never been under the impression that there were real power levels with shamans. A shaman was as powerful as the spirits allowed him to be. Shamanism was first established in lore with Thrall and he was shown to have the spirits very receptive to his requests, so I was always under the impression Thrall was the greatest shaman even before Cataclysm. His only real competition was Nobundo, which isn't much if you ask me. Has he gotten more than a couple of paragraphs of lore yet?
Let's quote something from Thrall's grand appearance in BC:
People can talk about mary sue this and green Jesus that, but he's always been an exalted character. The bulk of the fans were on board with the adulation as well. The one and only problem was that he stopped being cool in Cataclysm, and that wasn't because he was "too powerful". He left the Horde. Started wearing hobo robes. Started calling himself Go'el. Started a relationship with the awful character of Aggra and made us endure her awful voice(though if you haven't gone back to see, they've given her a much better one). His prudence started to come across as being more of a hippy. Everything that was iconic about him was stripped away.Garadar Defender says: He carries the Doomhammer!
Garadar Defender says: I am unworthy, son of Durotan. We are all unworthy...
Garadar Defender says: Who is he? He looks so familiar.
Garadar Defender says: For the first time, I feel safe. I do not know you, stranger, but I know that I would lay down my life for you if only you asked.
Garadar Defender says: Could it really be? The son of Durotan?
Garadar Defender says: Are the rumors true? Does he really carry the Greatmother's bloodline?
Garadar Defender says: I have never felt such strength radiate from an orc. Is he... mortal...
People loved this guy. He needs to come back. Overreacting to one bad story and trying to kill him off is ridiculous. Salvage what you can and move on.
Why Thrall is so powerful?
-he was raised by humans(blue eyes), so he's not only strong like orcs, but also smart as human(I believe that average human is smarter than average orc, and also I don't think that orcs are stupid overall),
-he was trained by Blackmoore for fights,
-Drek'thar was his mentor,
-he's part of exiled Frostwolf Clan so it made him in a little pressure,
-he fought and won with Orgrim Doomhammer,
-he united orcs,
-he made Orgrimmar(well, many peons/trolls/taurens etc. helped but still it was his idea),
-he fought with Mannoroth,
-In Wc3 he fought with Burning Legion, many creatures and beasts, getting more experience in fight,
-he trained his shaman skills in Nagrand and joined the Earthen Ring, getting even more experience in shamanism,
I miss a lot the old Thrall.
Come on!! The new Thrall is named Go'el, it is a Kryptonian name!!! He only needs an "S" in the middle of his head and start being the most powerful entity in WoW.
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Frankly I hope Thrall (who was a powerful warrior before he ever was a Shaman) puts his Gladiator skills to use and knocks Garrosh a nice hard one and forces him to cheat and use the Heart of Y'shaarj to win. I hope we then kill Garrosh simply and that like Arthas he dies pathetically grasping for his fading power.
Why is thrall so powerfull? Because he have a long story, he respect the elements, and is not something that just happen over night where a half giant came into his house and said " you are a shaman thrall"
Metzen and his mary sue.
Thrall is so powerful because he wielded an ancient artifact known as Dragon Soul / Demon Soul. Without it, he'd never been able to laser Deathwing.
Is she? I don't think that she is particularly powerful. Heh maybe judged by human standards... an Eredar mage would just yawn.Why is Jaina so powerful?
I have to agree with Trassk on this, all of thise are the solid and good lore reasons why thrall he is so strong(I have dissagreed many times with trassk on other lore parts)But anyone who know just a bit of lore, and how power works in warcraft have to agree to thralls story is not just " he is strong now, for no reason" ( But then i will not hear you say anything about varian Since it is kind of the same, thrall was born to be blessed with the elements, and varian was chocen by a god :P , all about dat luck and training )
Is this thread some kind of a joke? How can some people say that they know lore and forget that Thrall is a powerful shaman even before the Warcraft 3 story?
Thrall's connection to the elements was strong enough to be able destroy Durnholde Keep. It's right there from day one.
Because Chris Metzen.
We all know Thrall's story. But the problem is there, in his story. He is superman (you can explain why if you want), but in the end, he is a superman. Maybe, we only need to throw Thrall in to Sargera's face and end all wow-problems. Doesn't matter why you write a plot to create a super-green-human-elemental-master-off-doom, the problem is that you created that character and now it's too much powerful. Warcraft story had a lot of powerful characters, but all of them died and become Heroes, but I thing Thrall it's the first one to accomplish such power and become a super-star and live (and have a wife and a son too).I have to agree with Trassk on this, all of thise are the solid and good lore reasons why thrall he is so strong(I have dissagreed many times with trassk on other lore parts)But anyone who know just a bit of lore, and how power works in warcraft have to agree to thralls story is not just " he is strong now, for no reason" ( But then i will not hear you say anything about varian Since it is kind of the same, thrall was born to be blessed with the elements, and varian was chocen by a god :P , all about dat luck and training )
pretty much. Funny how Thrall who has gone though character progression and reason for him becoming a powerful shaman, people can't seem to understand that, but take Varian who was possessed by a freaking demo god giving him godlike wolf powers, but.. THATS nothing to regard about his character.
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Are you hard of reading?
Jaina, Varian, Malfurion, Velen, hell, half the dam alliance cast are considered super humans, well the horde barely has any. Even its most powerful druid is out-shun by the alliances super human druid. So you complining about how Thralls got the status of super man, try taking a good long look at the entirely of the warcraft cast.
#boycottchina
What powers does Thrall have that outstrip everyone else so much?
I'm sorry, I'm not a huge lore buff, but most people seem to spend their time complaining about Dragonsoul, where most of what Thrall did was due to having THE Dragon Soul, infused with the power of 4 Godlike aspects?
Other than that, what else has he done to warrant superman status? He seems pretty comparable to Malfurion / Jaina from what I've seen, but, as I say, I've not read all the novels.