Why are Arthas and Bolvar such different lich kings?

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Arthas always struck me as chaotic evil, maybe lawful evil but Bolvar seems neutral, perhaps even chaotic neutral.

Bolvar isn't at all bothered with world domination or the likes as Arthas is.

They're very different personality wise, basically. So what gives? Wasn't Arthas also "good" and "all that was holding back the scourge"?

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In the Book, Arthas (a Death knight) was getting manipulated by Ner'zhul (The Lich King). They shared the same body after he put on the helm and armor and what not. Eventually Arthas' spirit got rid of Ner'zhuls and he became the one and only Lich King. So while Arthas started off good, he got manipulated and basically started enjoying being so powerful and decided that he wanted to become the Lich King. Bolvar still only wants to do good by keeping the undead in check, but give him time, we might have him as a raid boss in a few expansions.

[Syn22]

Arthas lost his soul to Frostmourne and became a thrall of the Lich King. Bolvar did not.

[Combatbutler]

Arthas always struck me as chaotic evil, maybe lawful evil but Bolvar seems neutral, perhaps even chaotic neutral.

Bolvar isn't at all bothered with world domination or the likes as Arthas is.

They're very different personality wise, basically. So what gives? Wasn't Arthas also "good" and "all that was holding back the scourge"?

Arthas was deep down a bastard and that reflects in his reign, Bolvar is a better person, but it remains to be seen if he won't become more similar to Arthas after a few more years on the frozen throne.

[Arrashi]

Bolvar was crispied by alex flame of love. Im sure that this took part of making him better (and more charred) person.

[Hellishreaper]

In the Book, Arthas (a Death knight) was getting manipulated by Ner'zhul (The Lich King). They shared the same body after he put on the helm and armor and what not. Eventually Arthas' spirit got rid of Ner'zhuls and he became the one and only Lich King. So while Arthas started off good, he got manipulated and basically started enjoying being so powerful and decided that he wanted to become the Lich King. Bolvar still only wants to do good by keeping the undead in check, but give him time, we might have him as a raid boss in a few expansions.

wrong, arthas lost his soul to frostmourne after taking up the blade, basically he never had any moral compass because of it

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Arthas was deep down a bastard and that reflects in his reign, Bolvar is a better person, but it remains to be seen if he won't become more similar to Arthas after a few more years on the frozen throne.

this is so incorrect i dont think you've ever even played warcraft 3, everything he did was for his people but he didnt know the price he'd have to pay for using frostmourne and it stole his soul

[Arrashi]

wrong, arthas lost his soul to frostmourne after taking up the blade, basically he never had any moral compass because of it

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this is so incorrect i dont think you've ever even played warcraft 3, everything he did was for his people but he didnt know the price he'd have to pay for using frostmourne and it stole his soul

There is big diffrence betwen doing "everything for you people" and being objectively good person.

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Because they're different people.

Arthas also had his soul stolen by Frostmourne. I don't know how exactly that worked considering he then became the Lich King, but yeah.

[Donald Hellscream]

Arthas always struck me as chaotic evil, maybe lawful evil but Bolvar seems neutral, perhaps even chaotic neutral.

Bolvar isn't at all bothered with world domination or the likes as Arthas is.

They're very different personality wise, basically. So what gives? Wasn't Arthas also "good" and "all that was holding back the scourge"?

Arthas' soul got consumed by frostmourne when he first picked up the blade which initially made him a thrall to the lich kings will, he then got tricked into shattering the frozen throne and doned the helm of domination giving the lich king a body. He later took complete control in a mental struggle against Nerzhul making him the only mind in control of the scourge.

Bolvar's soul was never claimed by frostmourne so he is likely more resistant to the influence of the helm of domination than Arthas who was already soulless at that point.

[Hellishreaper]

There is big diffrence betwen doing "everything for you people" and being objectively good person.

he was a paladin lol, are you going to claim he was anything but? if anything his journey tore him down to the point he was willing to sacrifice even his soul if it meant he could save his people

[Combatbutler]

this is so incorrect i dont think you've ever even played warcraft 3, everything he did was for his people but he didnt know the price he'd have to pay for using frostmourne and it stole his soul

Have you read the books which show his inner thoughts? Arthas was deep down a bastard.

[Super Kami Dende]

Arthas lost his Soul to Frostmourne, was Meld with Ner'zhul and tore out his Heart.

Bolvar has none of these downsides.

[Hellishreaper]

Have you read the books which show his inner thoughts? Arthas was deep down a bastard.

yeah, its not like he lost his soul before that point or anything
oh wait.

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wrong, arthas lost his soul to frostmourne after taking up the blade, basically he never had any moral compass because of it

He had a moral compass, it was just very skewed. He was basically willing to do anything to save his people, including killing his own people he deemed couldn't be saved anymore. Or he would just use other people to get to his final goal of killing w/e the name of the dreadlord was. So yes, he "sacrificed" his soul (w/o knowing the price) in exchange for frostmourne, with the intention of doing well. After that he became a DK and the LK had him doing whatever he wanted which is why I said said he was getting manipulated.

[Arrashi]

he was a paladin lol, are you going to claim he was anything but? if anything his journey tore him down to the point he was willing to sacrifice even his soul if it meant he could save his people

This isn't D&D, you don't have lawful good aligment and high reputation as requirements for being paladin. See - scarlet crusade.

[Hellishreaper]

He had a moral compass, it was just very skewed. He was basically willing to do anything to save his people, including killing his own people he deemed couldn't be saved anymore. Or he would just use other people to get to his final goal of killing w/e the name of the dreadlord was. So yes, he "sacrificed" his soul (w/o knowing the price) in exchange for frostmourne, with the intention of doing well. After that he became a DK and the LK had him doing whatever he wanted which is why I said said he was getting manipulated.

and? he wasn't wrong, i honestly dont understand how people dont think him burning stratholme was anything but the correct answer, at best only a small percent of the population wasn't infected

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This isn't D&D, you don't have lawful good aligment and high reputation as requirements for being paladin. See - scarlet crusade.

the scarlet crusade are considered "Fallen paladins" not part of the actual order of the silver hand, like arthas was.

[Combatbutler]

yeah, its not like he lost his soul before that point or anything
oh wait.

It is not like he threw it away for good willingly later on, when he still had a choice to make .... oh wait.

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the scarlet crusade are considered "Fallen paladins" not part of the actual order of the silver hand, like arthas was.

Doesn't matter anyone who believes their actions are just can use the light, people could cannibalize babes and smite their mothers with the light, as long as they believe their cause just, the light won't abandon them as such Paladins are not the epitome of good.

[Hellishreaper]

It is not like he threw it away for good willingly later on, when he still had a choice to make .... oh wait.

he didnt have a choice he already lost his soul.. that was just fluff for the novel which is why he did exactly what you would have expected him to do with NO SOUL
seriously your logic makes no sense

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It is not like he threw it away for good willingly later on, when he still had a choice to make .... oh wait.

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Doesn't matter anyone who believes their actions are just can use the light, people could cannibalize babes and smite their mothers with the light, as long as they believe their cause just, the light won't abandon them as such Paladins are not the epitome of good.

yes but paladins of the order of the silver hand ARE the epitome of good thats their whole purpose

[Archmage Alodi]

Dunno , dragon flames maybe?

[Combatbutler]

he didnt have a choice he already lost his soul.. that was just fluff for the novel which is why he did exactly what you would have expected him to do with NO SOUL
seriously your logic makes no sense

Arthas chose his fate, twice. The first time in Northrend, when he was ordered to return, which was in the best interest of his men, but he chose instead to burn down their ships, so they could no longer return and killed the ones who helped him do it. that was the turning point at which he showed his true face, it was no longer for hos people it was about vengeance, he sasy it directly before picking up frostmourne as well.

The second time his humanity pleaded with him to stop, he disposed of it and Ner'zhul and unleashed parts of the scourge once more to lure heroes to Northrend, in order resurrect them as his new champions and then unleash the full might of the scourge.