California is first state to approve $15 minimum wage

[Total Crica]

See the Projects. Discipline and control are lacking in the civilian world.

The lack of control there is mainly due to the prevalent belief that racism is WHY they are in the projects.

[Daelak]

So you are really advocating everyone live in the farm communities? Why should they live in a stupid major city? I grew up in the farmlands, things were cheap and crime was low. It's not til you start cramming people into crappy town homes stacked on top of each other, do you get all the crime problems. If you have to walk a half mile to get to the next house, Home robberies will be fairly low. You have 2 acres of land, you can raise yourself a nice little garden.

I have no qualms about living in rural areas, but suburban areas are the ones that are being subsidized by artificially low development costs.

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They are unemployed and unskilled because there are no jobs to be had. The jobs they would normally would acquire arent there because they are being held by underemployed skilled workers who found their jobs have been "outsourced".

We don't want lower skilled jobs anyways. I would rather have a family pursuing some higher level jobs/education while living a good life and participating in the economy because it will make my financial well-being better and my community safer.

[noladrew]

i think scott walker and bobby jindal are in a competition to see who can screw up their state the most.

Being from Louisiana, Bobby Jindal did an AMAZING job at this. Already seeing tax increases due to his budget "mishaps" during his "service".

[araine]

great thing, only problem it is implemented way way to slowly

[Austilias]

It'll be interesting to see what effect this has upon small businesses. Too many people have this narrow idea of businesses being massive corporations with money to burn.

[Daelak]

It'll be interesting to see what effect this has upon small businesses. Too many people have this narrow idea of businesses being massive corporations with money to burn.

You don't have to wait until 2022, we have over 50 years of minimum wage hikes.

[DeadmanWalking]

If they have a safe place to live, safe and healthy food to eat, safe and clean water to drink, a safe way to get to and from work, and access to good health care then they have what they NEED, regardless of what they THINK they need.

And who is going to build that place you live in? Who is going to grow and supply your food? Who is going to clean your water? WHo is going to provide you with health care? Why would anyone learn to build houses or give you medical care when everyone gets the same stuff regardless. Why go to college for 8 years to get the training to cure your cancer when they can just stay a burger flipper and get the same stuff?

People go learn how to do those things so they can better themselves and their childrens futures, not so you can have everything you want at their enslavement.

The only way you could get people to give everyone everything you want for free is to publicly murder people until they don't have the will to resist.

[Kujako]

Basically have two choices, a welfare state or living wage. Frankly I don't care much which one we go with.

[unfilteredJW]

Brownback has already won. No contest.

I got a Rick Scott I'd like to introduce you to.

[petej0]

We don't want lower skilled jobs anyways.

/sigh...

Burger flippers, waitress, retail clerk, etc... are all "low skill" jobs...

I would rather have a family pursuing some higher level jobs/education while living a good life and participating in the economy because it will make my financial well-being better and my community safer.

So would I!! Problem is we are outsourcing those jobs or filling them with H1B Visa holders, so that 10 year experienced software engineer who had his position replaced by a visa holder replaced a 5 year experienced software engineer who replaced that junior person, who now has two part time minimum wage jobs which he took from a low skilled person. See how it trickles down?

There arent enough skilled jobs for these people to move up into, so they are stuck with low skilled jobs. Those with low skills are left out of the job market.

[Daelak]

/sigh...

Burger flippers, waitress, retail clerk, etc... are all "low skill" jobs...



So would I!! Problem is we are outsourcing those jobs or filling them with H1B Visa holders, so that 10 year experienced software engineer who had his position replaced by a visa holder replaced a 5 year experienced software engineer who replaced that junior person, who now has two part time minimum wage jobs which he took from a low skilled person. See how it trickles down?

There arent enough skilled jobs for these people to move up into, so they are stuck with low skilled jobs. Those with low skills are left out of the job market.

So let them become professional cosmopolitans. We subsidize their lifestyle so it generates better returns for us in the equities markets and our retirement plans, not to mention stronger, safer, communities.

[Yvaelle]

One has to wonder what Yvaelle has planned for this Friday evening......

An exchange of oral sex with my girlfriend is likely - that's how you know we're socialists

[Total Crica]

And who is going to build that place you live in? Who is going to grow and supply your food? Who is going to clean your water? WHo is going to provide you with health care? Why would anyone learn to build houses or give you medical care when everyone gets the same stuff regardless. Why go to college for 8 years to get the training to cure your cancer when they can just stay a burger flipper and get the same stuff?

People go learn how to do those things so they can better themselves and their childrens futures, not so you can have everything you want at their enslavement.

The only way you could get people to give everyone everything you want for free is to publicly murder people until they don't have the will to resist.

The same people who do it now, as well as the people living there. Nobody said give it for free, they said give it to the workers.

[DeadmanWalking]

The same people who do it now, as well as the people living there. Nobody said give it for free, they said give it to the workers.

But the workers get paid the same regardless of what they do for work, so why bother learning how to do that stuff when you can get the same stuff for flipping burgers? Your failed logic fails to take into mind that humans won't learn to do the things you want if everyone gets the same in the end anyways. You won't have doctors because nobody is going to put themselves through medical school to get the same as someone who flips burgers.

[Total Crica]

But the workers get paid the same regardless of what they do for work, so why bother learning how to do that stuff when you can get the same stuff for flipping burgers? Your failed logic fails to take into mind that humans won't learn to do the things you want if everyone gets the same in the end anyways. You won't have doctors because nobody is going to put themselves through medical school to get the same as someone who flips burgers.

No, everyone cant flip burgers, as I posted earlier, because someone has to be in healthcare in order for there to be healthcare, etc.

Job availability would not change just because all workers were given living resources. Sure, you may WANT to just flip burgers, but that doesn't mean there is a burger flipping job available for you. You may have to work in healthcare if that is all there is available.

[Sprinky]

I didn't read through the whole thread but it is one that I have thought a lot about recently. For those who care this article says my thoughts pretty clearly. That is that raising minimum wage does precisely nothing.

http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/livewag.htm

[Cthulhu 2020]

I didn't read through the whole thread but it is one that I have thought a lot about recently. For those who care this article says my thoughts pretty clearly. That is that raising minimum wage does precisely nothing.

http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/livewag.htm

lol, these "prices will rise at the same rate as minimum wage goes up" leaves out about 20 other important factors in their equations, it's pure napkin math from uneducated people.

[kail]

It'll be interesting to see what effect this has upon small businesses. Too many people have this narrow idea of businesses being massive corporations with money to burn.

It will hurt, which is sad. The best solution might be to exempt certain businesses that do not pass a specific amount of staff quantity. Perhaps their best bet would be to restructure their wage model (could be commission based, profit sharing etc).

Still keep in mind that the increase of wages to the lower class = more money being spent overall. Small businesses have always been a risky venture, but if they meet their area's demand, they'll be fine.

[Sprinky]

lol, these "prices will rise at the same rate as minimum wage goes up" leaves out about 20 other important factors in their equations, it's pure napkin math from uneducated people.

Well I employ 15 people and to cover their increase in wages I will increase my costs to my consumers. Guess who my consumers are? That's right, they are the people on minimum wage.

[Goondicker]

Not really. I think the thinking behind it is to first force a moderate restructuring of the wage pyramid, so that it makes companies less profitable (they are wildly profitable right now) and some of those excess profits go instead to worker wages, and secondly to increase consumer demand and so decrease the ranks of the economically inactive. In truth it is exactly what the economy needs.

Raising minimum wage isn't going to make companies less profitable. They'll just cut their employee numbers and put the extra workload on the remaining employees. You really think that the corporations will just be fine with being less profitable?