Dutch journalist arrested in Tureky after critisizing Erdogan

[Kasierith]

She violated Turkish law and was arrested accordingly in Turkey. There's really nothing novel or controversial about it; these laws have been on the books for some time now. If you don't like it, first it's a silly approach to take because it's their country, and second things like a gross violation of NATO protocol to murder two pilots when their active treaties required them to peacefully but forcibly escort them fro their airspace is a far more egregious infraction of international law, and the lack of any response at all pretty much demonstrated that Turkey could do whatever they wanted.

[Berengil]

I'm 100% ethnically Dutch but whatever.

She breaks the Turkish law and she is in Turkey. It doesn't matter at all what kind of passport you have. You break the law in a country and you're fucked. Or do you not know about the dozens of Dutch citizens locked up indefinitely in shithole Asian and South American prisons for (alleged) drug trafficking? Their Dutch passports didn't save them there, so why should the fact that this woman has a Dutch passport grant her any sort of immunity or impunity to the Turkish law? Especially when you consider that she probably still has a Turkish passport as well. Her committing her crime outside of Turkey doesn't mean shit, especially considering her offence is spreading certain thoughts that are considered a crime in Turkey in public and social media.

And also, her "fuck erdogan" tweets were tweeted while she was in her family vacation home in Turkey, which is also "her own country".

Nice to see someone (from a country several of my relatives of the past fought to free from tyranny) justifying fascist suppression of speech. Insulting freedom-hating dbags like Erdogan is a purely good thing.

Either a people are free to speak their minds or they're not. There is no halfway territory. Freedom "except you can't insult a leader" isn't freedom.

Every time i see sh-t like this about other countries, it reminds me of how much I love the First Amendment to the US constitution.

[Hooked]

I guess he does not want tourists to come
acting like a dictator is not a smart move

Who on earth would take a trip to turkey for a vacation?. That sounds like something nightmares are made of. I wouldnt go on vacation in turkey even if you put me up in a 5 star hotel and gave me a million dollars for it.

[Gref]

He's no better than the feminazis who are offended by everything.

Man of all the things we say about Erdogan, this best sums it up his actions towards any criticism. Well said sir. Give this man an iskender kebab!

[Theodarzna]

And here I thought the Turks had more pressing issues like denying the Armenian Genocide.

[Deleted]

Then even more boats will arrive upon the Greek coasts. And probably all the Syrian refugees that are in Turkey right now will be send along with them. But that's a guessing game.

I do agree on your last sentence and maybe it's already too great.

Sink the boats. Easy.

[Hooked]

Put troops on the border of turkey, put the navy in the waters off of northern Africa and cut turkey from nato. Turkey is blackmailing the west through merkel. Turkey has basically been an entry point for potential isis members to go into Syria and Iraq. Turkey is right in the middle of this whole shit fest in Syria. With friends like turkey, who needs enemies?.

[flepser]

Sink the boats. Easy.

Great idea. While we're at it let's go and nuke the whole region, right?

[Wyrt]

If she was in Turkey then she is subject to Turkish laws.

[flepser]

Who on earth would take a trip to turkey for a vacation?. That sounds like something nightmares are made of. I wouldnt go on vacation in turkey even if you put me up in a 5 star hotel and gave me a million dollars for it.

36 million foreigners in 2015. And I definitely would take that million dollars to spend the week in one of the many All-inclusive hotels at the Mediterranean. I'd just stay away from the east, far away.

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Nice to see someone (from a country several of my relatives of the past fought to free from tyranny) justifying fascist suppression of speech. Insulting freedom-hating dbags like Erdogan is a purely good thing.

Either a people are free to speak their minds or they're not. There is no halfway territory. Freedom "except you can't insult a leader" isn't freedom.

Every time i see sh-t like this about other countries, it reminds me of how much I love the First Amendment to the US constitution.

I thought it has been settled that there's no Free Speech in Turkey at the moment. She breaks the mean words about Erdogan law and the heads to that country. What did she expect? "Oh, you're a Dutch columnist so we let you off the hook "? Think again. And though I disagree with Erdogan, she broke the law and is facing the consequences. Now I do hope that the Dutch government will make sure she'll get safe and sound back in The Netherlands.

[Bakis]

Just read that the Turkish embassy in Sweden tried to influence a tv channel not to broadcast a planned documentary about the Armenian Genocide tonite.
They gently got told to fuck off.

[Acidbaron]

So people their logic is if a citizen of another country writes something about another leader regardless where it is written or where the so called 'thought crime' is committed and that person than travels to that country they can be held accountable for things said in the past anywhere.

That's what a lot of you are saying with "obey their laws" and it's rather absurd.

[Lesane]

Nice to see someone (from a country several of my relatives of the past fought to free from tyranny) justifying fascist suppression of speech. Insulting freedom-hating dbags like Erdogan is a purely good thing.

Either a people are free to speak their minds or they're not. There is no halfway territory. Freedom "except you can't insult a leader" isn't freedom.

Every time i see sh-t like this about other countries, it reminds me of how much I love the First Amendment to the US constitution.

Insulting people because you disagree with them is a good thing? Insulting is never a good thing. If you want to criticize someone, do it as a civilized person. Insulting someone, no matter how wrong they are, doesn't achieve anything other than creating a larger gap between whoever insults and gets insulted and the supporters of both parties. Insulting someone can do two things and therefore has two purposes at most. It either is meant to hurt the person whoever is being insulted emotionally, or the people who support/follow who/whatever is being insulted, or it is meant to ridicule someone to the point to defame them into a non-factor where they are no longer being taken serious. One can make an argument for the latter being a good thing sometimes, but to me if you need to insult and ridicule someone into becoming a non-factor and can't do it with proper arguments, you're just as bad. It's also illegal in a lot of countries to do that.

Either way, there have always been limits on free speech in Europe. People don't seem to understand that. You can't deny the Holocaust in a lot of European countries, you can't insult the monarchy in a lot of them, there's a movement trying to make denying the Armenian genocide and other genocides a criminal offence too. And those aren't even mindless and childish insulting, although it will hurt people nonetheless. So as long as such laws are in place or are about to be put in place, I really can't get upset over Turkey maintaining their own laws where insulting the Turkish nation (and therefore) or its political leader is considered a criminal offence.

People seem to forget that often freedom of one person means impeding the freedom of another. Freedom is not always a good thing, no matter how controversial that may sound. We put killers behind bars, why shouldn't they have freedom? Because they impede the freedom of others by making them live in fear for their lives. There's limits on freedom everywhere in every country. It's called the law and it's usually meant to improve civilization. We as Westerners should not be deciding for other parts of the world what is best for them. They have completely different cultures and mindsets. Turkey is a far more emotional and social culture than pretty much every culture in the west, so insulting someone is a far greater offence there than in the west. If you joke about someone's mom in the west the victim will sometimes even laugh with you, in Turkey it's a surefire way to get your teeth punched in. Therefore, they will have different laws because their country and culture work differently.

Who on earth would take a trip to turkey for a vacation?. That sounds like something nightmares are made of. I wouldnt go on vacation in turkey even if you put me up in a 5 star hotel and gave me a million dollars for it.

Almost 40 million people on a yearly basis perhaps? Turkey is in the top 10 of most visited touristic locations. If you can't understand why, you are probably some ignorant fool who thinks Turkey is a huge desert where they ride camels and live in tents. Turkey is one of the most culturally and historically rich countries in the world, and its landscape and climate are also amazing. On top of that it's also very financially attractive for Western tourists.

Put troops on the border of turkey, put the navy in the waters off of northern Africa and cut turkey from nato. Turkey is blackmailing the west through merkel. Turkey has basically been an entry point for potential isis members to go into Syria and Iraq. Turkey is right in the middle of this whole shit fest in Syria. With friends like turkey, who needs enemies?.

Yeah an entry point for ISIS members who often originate from those oh-so-great Western European NATO member states. Maybe if their intelligence services were doing their jobs properly Turkey wouldn't even need to worry about ISIS aspirants trying to get into Syria through Turkey's eastern borders.

If she was in Turkey then she is subject to Turkish laws.

You don't understand. The only laws that count in the world are the ones that the West agrees upon. Everything else is just savagery, undeveloped, uncivilized and backwards. /s

So people their logic is if a citizen of another country writes something about another leader regardless where it is written or where the so called 'thought crime' is committed and that person than travels to that country they can be held accountable for things said in the past anywhere.

That's what a lot of you are saying with "obey their laws" and it's rather absurd.

Uhm, she was tweeting Fuck Erdogan on twitter while being at her vacation home in Turkey. They didn't arrest her for her columns, although they ought to have done that seeing how those abonimable columns of her lower your IQ substantially with every word you read and their existence is a crime by itself.

[Acidbaron]

Uhm, she was tweeting Fuck Erdogan on twitter while being at her vacation home in Turkey. They didn't arrest her for her columns, although they ought to have done that seeing how those abonimable columns of her lower your IQ substantially with every word you read and their existence is a crime by itself.

According to the article used for this thread she did get arrested for a piece in metro daily. Your personal feelings towards her should not play a role here in finding this normal or not.

[Wyrt]

You don't understand. The only laws that count in the world are the ones that the West agrees upon. Everything else is just savagery, undeveloped, uncivilized and backwards. /s

Well, it is all those things, but she was in a backwards country so she was subject to their backwards laws.

[JohnBrown1917]

Who on earth would take a trip to turkey for a vacation?. That sounds like something nightmares are made of. I wouldnt go on vacation in turkey even if you put me up in a 5 star hotel and gave me a million dollars for it.

Its a popular vacation country, although Erdogan seems to want to put a stop to that.

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According to the article used for this thread she did get arrested for a piece in metro daily. Your personal feelings towards her should not play a role here in finding this normal or not.

It clearly does, sadly, I doubt he'll overcome his personal bias.
To just drop your fellow countrymen/woman over your personal opinions... good thing he is probably in a very tiny minority here. Plenty of people hate her, but they don't wish this upon her.

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[JohnBrown1917]

If she was in Turkey then she is subject to Turkish laws.

She wrote the article in the Netherlands.

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Her home was also broken into yesterday(door was broken, whole home overturned etc, only for a laptop), just a coincidence, rigth?

[Deleted]

Honestly don't break the laws in Turkey. Problem is she's wasn't in Turkey at the time of the "crime" making it pretty strange.

First sign a country starts getting trouble is when freedom of speech gets eroded, second is when they scrap secular laws. Just look at Bangladesh, started secular now shit hole.

[Deleted]

Well fuck, Erdogan is coming to Croatia and our governament troglodytes are actually happy. Fuck EU and fuck this world, my ancestors fought the Turks for centuries and now he is holding Europe for hostage...