New Nato Missle Defense bas in Romainia to go live on thursday

[Deleted]

Right now EU army is in a poor state, because EU inst delusional seeing enemies all around it. If Europe decided to fully militarize some Alliens somewhere far away would poop in their pants.

WW2 wasn't that back, have you forgotten?
Besides, we invaded war child, never forget that. Don't confuse absence of interest with weakness.

Europe is delusional for thinking the history of conflict is over and that other countries are not ready to defend their interests with military means.
And even if Europe decided to fully militarize, we could never do it - we don`t have the money, we no longer have the industry for it.

Besides, we invaded war child, never forget that.

What?

[Xires]

Europe is delusional for thinking the history of conflict is over and that other countries are not ready to defend their interests with military means.
And even if Europe decided to fully militarize, we could never do it - we don`t have the money, we no longer have the industry for it.

What?

Thanks to feminists, SJW's, and political correctness...you don't have the men for it either.

[Wildtree]

After WW2 ended Europe has relied upon the US for protection. Plain and simple.

It would be a lie to deny that this was the case.
For some time most definitely some European nations enjoyed US' protective alliance.
But there's a time for everything. And while no sane person would try to argue for the US to leave Europe entirely. It's just not a black and white issue either.
Cutting back on forces isn't the same as leaving completely.
And since times didn't stood still. Europe is very well capable nowadays to defend itself effectively if it would have to. There is only one force on the planet that could threaten it's combined military alliance, and that happens to be an ally. So, where's the real threat?

[Ulmita]

Russia has armed terrorists and has been for decades. They are doing it...RIGHT NOW. LOL!!! Damn, you are not very smart or well informed are you? Greece has a shitty economy and you are here on the computer draining energy....shouldn't you be trying to WORK or something. I know "WORK" is a strange concept in a socialist country that killed itself because half the population got tired of and couldn't afford to take care of the other half. Remember- eventually you run out of someone else's money Mr. Greek.

Russian has terrorists out there? Last time i checked it was USA who was talking with Al nursa - Al Qaeda, arming them, training them etc.
As for the Greek part i am good dude I got too much of the bail out money =)

[Deleted]

So, where's the real threat?

Yeah, because asking this question to the aether while global defense spending is skyrocketing is a smart thing to do.

You either prepare for the war or you water someone elses horses. It`s that simple. And one would think the European history is full of examples when things go sideways in just a couple years. Man, this continent is fucked in the head.

[Wildtree]

Yeah, because asking this question to the aether while global defense spending is skyrocketing is a smart thing to do.

You either prepare for the war or you water someone elses horses. It`s that simple. And one would think the European history is full of examples when things go sideways in just a couple years. Man, this continent is fucked in the head.

That trend only shows what I said earlier in another post.
The US never abandoned the arms race it had going with the USSR.
It would be foolish for the whole planet to just watch and wait until there's one single force so overpowering to take on the entirety of the world.
But generally there is no real threat... Neither the USA nor China posing a threat against Europe.

[Orly]

No one here thinks in simplistic terms of ''evil'' verrsus ''good''. It says a lot about you when you try to rationalize world affairs in such infantile way.

As for going ''all around the world'' - they could, so they did. No one else has the means to pull that off, so they didn`t, don`t and they won`t.
Simples!

First you say that and then you proceed to say that America screwed up so many countries in the last decades just because it could and that's as valid an argument as any. Talk about infantile, indeed.

As someone who can't decide which country to hate more between USA and Russia, I can only do the only sensible thing that is left to do and compare them based on their actions, because they speak louder than words.

And in the last decades, USA went on a screwing spree in countries an ocean away from it just because it could (as stated above), destabilizing areas and letting Europe take the fallout, while at the same time proudly trying as much as possible to poke "the soviet circus bear" (american words, not mine). And then you put all this disgustingly low global power plays against annexing Crimea (neighbouring area) two years ago...and you have the audacity to call THEM the bad guys?

Just reading Skroe's replies in this thread makes me notice such a thunderous desire for war. Not big surprise, considering it's so far away from his country and he will most likely not have to deal with any of the consequences. Just like with every other conflict they escalated these last decades. Go figure.

Congratulations, America. It's been 60 years in the making but you've finally became what you fought so hard to defeat. And now you're working so hard to surpass it in the worst.

[Deleted]

-The US never abandoned the arms race it had going with the USSR.
-It would be foolish for the whole planet to just watch and wait until there's one single force so overpowering to take on the entirety of the world.
-But generally there is no real threat... Neither the USA nor China posing a threat against Europe.

- And they would have been fools if they had, considering that Russia never stopped researching and funding advanced systems that are slowly coming online. And there`s that country named China which was freaked out by how easily US overcame Iraqi A2/AD systems in the Gulf War (which at the time were the most sophisticated ones outside of Russia proper).
- Which is why European stance on defense spending is just retarded. Not to mention we`re rapidly loosing what little of our industrial edge remains. We just came out with our domestic drones nEuron - something that the Americans have been flying around for years at this point. Won`t be surprised if the Eurofigher replacement is never developed, we`ll simply buy whatever the Americans have to offer.
- You can`t possibly know that. Only fools would hedge their bets on ''well, b-bbut we are n-nn-nice guys, so they must nice as well!''.

[Ulmita]

First you say that and then you proceed to say that America screwed up so many countries in the last decades just because it could and that's as valid an argument as any. Talk about infantile, indeed.

As someone who can't decide which country to hate more between USA and Russia, I can only do the only sensible thing that is left to do and compare them based on their actions, because they speak louder than words.

And in the last decades, USA went on a screwing spree in countries an ocean away from it just because it could (as stated above), destabilizing areas and letting Europe take the fallout, while at the same time proudly trying as much as possible to poke "the soviet circus bear" (american words, not mine). And then you put all this disgustingly low global power plays against annexing Crimea (neighbouring area) two years ago...and you have the audacity to call THEM the bad guys?

Just reading Skroe's replies in this thread makes me notice such a thunderous desire for war. Not big surprise, considering it's so far away from his country and he will most likely not have to deal with any of the consequences. Just like with every other conflict they escalated these last decades. Go figure.

Congratulations, America. It's been 60 years in the making but you've finally became what you fought so hard to defeat. And now you're working so hard to surpass it in the worst.

This completely expresses my views.

I am very afraid that if there is noone to counter balance USA they will just do w/e they feel like it. World needs multipolarity badly.

[Deleted]

First you say that and then you proceed to say that America screwed up so many countries in the last decades just because it could and that's as valid an argument as any. Talk about infantile, indeed.

A simplification but there`s an undeniable truth to that - it could, so it did. And to a certain degree, it had to.

As for the rest of your post - I don`t care about the Middle East, what the Americans did or did not do there.

[Orly]

- And they would have been fools if they had, considering that Russia never stopped researching and funding advanced systems that are slowly coming online. And there`s that country named China which was freaked out by how easily US overcame Iraqi A2/AD systems in the Gulf War (which at the time were the most sophisticated ones outside of Russia proper).
- Which is why European stance on defense spending is just retarded. Not to mention we`re rapidly loosing what little of our industrial edge remains. We just came out with our domestic drones nEuron - something that the Americans have been flying around for years at this point. Won`t be surprised if the Eurofigher replacement is never developed, we`ll simply buy whatever the Americans have to offer.
- You can`t possibly know that. Only fools would hedge their bets on ''well, b-bbut we are n-nn-nice guys, so they must nice as well!''.

Sound like you're just jealous you didn't start a world war yourselves more than being benevolent.

Hint: If you want to get at Russia or China try going over the Pacific Ocean not the Atlantic one. But wait....that would mean a direct confrontation, and you can't afford that. You MUST have some other people to pay the price. You MUST!

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A simplification but there`s an undeniable truth to that - it could, so it did. And to a certain degree, it had to.

As for the rest of your post - I don`t care about the Middle East, what the Americans did or did not do there.

You heard it here folks: America is undeniably infantile.

/thread?

[Deleted]

Sound like you're just jealous you didn't start a world war yourselves more than being benevolent.

Hint: If you want to get at Russia or China try going over the Pacific Ocean not the Atlantic one. But wait....that would mean a direct confrontation, and you can't afford that. You MUST have some other people to pay the price. You MUST!

You heard it here folks: America is undeniably infantile.

/thread?

I`m not an American.

And yes, America is infantile. Which is actually one of it`s strengths.

[Orly]

I`m not an American.

And yes, America is infantile. Which is actually one of it`s strengths.

Then do the world a favor and stop siding with them, ok? Having so much support for such disgusting practices is as backwards as it gets, you don't need to add to the ever-increasing shitpile

But I get where you're coming from. "I feel safe, screw the rest of the world if that's the price for it". That's what got us here, unfortunately.

[Gorgodeus]

Then do the world a favor and stop siding with them, ok? Having so much support for such disgusting practices is as backwards as it gets, you don't need to add to the ever-increasing shitpile

But I get where you're coming from. "I feel safe, screw the rest of the world if that's the price for it". That's what got us here, unfortunately.

Up until Pearl Harbor, the US was isolationist, and had the attitude "let the rest of the world handle its own affairs and leave us out of it". We saw what resulted from that, and since then, the US will never allow itself to be put in that situation. The only thing that saved us was the incredible capabilities of our manufacturing, and the ability to crank out unprecedented numbers of war machines.

[Deleted]

Then do the world a favor and stop siding with them, ok? Having so much support for such disgusting practices is as backwards as it gets, you don't need to add to the ever-increasing shitpile

I`m not in to virtue signalling. Besides, I`m just some random male from the Eastern part of Europe - even if I changed my position, it would have zero impact on reality.
And the reality doesn`t favour Ulmitas, Crybans and Summerdrakes. Too bad as it`ll never change. US and Europe are tightly locked, besides some nations in Europe are leading the US as much as the Americans are leading them.

[Orly]

Up until Pearl Harbor, the US was isolationist, and had the attitude "let the rest of the world handle its own affairs and leave us out of it". We saw what resulted from that, and since then, the US will never allow itself to be put in that situation. The only thing that saved us was the incredible capabilities of our manufacturing, and the ability to crank out unprecedented numbers of war machines.

I play the world smallest violin for your lousy harbor, because that was provoked through cutting of trade and other less-obvious, but annoying nonetheless, methods. Why is it that while every story has two sides to it, the ones involving america have only one? In before the most comfortable argument to hide behind: conspiracy theory.

And I'm ready to play the same violin should anything of the sort happen from Russia too. You're breaking a treaty based on a hunch, you're bullying Russia and countries far away from your own, and you expect others to weather the fallout. S-C-U-M.

[Gorgodeus]

I play the world smallest violin for your lousy harbor, because that was provoked through cutting of trade and other less-obvious, but annoying nonetheless, methods. Why is it that while every story has two sides to it, the ones involving america have only one? In before the most comfortable argument to hide behind: conspiracy theory.

And I'm ready to play the same violin should anything of the sort happen from Russia too. You're breaking a treaty based on a hunch, you're bullying Russia and countries far away from your own, and you expect others to weather the fallout. S-C-U-M.

Oh, so now cutting of trade and "annoyances" are a reason to start a war. Gotcha.

You also might want to go brush up on the details of said treaty, and who actually invalidated the treaty by breaking it in the first place, before spouting rubbish.

Japan woke a sleeping giant, who will never slumber again. Sorry if the truth hurts.

[Orly]

I`m not in to virtue signalling. Besides, I`m just some random male from the Eastern part of Europe - even if I changed my position, it would have zero impact on reality.
And the reality doesn`t favour Ulmitas, Crybans and Summerdrakes. Too bad as it`ll never change. US and Europe are tightly locked, besides some nations in Europe are leading the US as much as the Americans are leading them.

I hold the same views about them, worry you not.

And even though it might not impact reality...again, there's this shitpile that really does not need more adding to it. I try to stay as neutral as I can too but when I comes to deciding between Russia vs America or JUST America, I'd rather have Russia sticking around to keep it all balanced. Nobody in their right mind should want the world's police go unchecked

[Deleted]

you're bullying Russia

It`s called ''advancing your interests''.
If Russia can`t stand up to it - too bad. It`s silly to expect that there won`t be outraged when it does actually react to irritation. Anyone else would.

You're breaking a treaty based on a hunch

What treaty?

[Orly]

Oh, so now cutting of trade and "annoyances" are a reason to start a war. Gotcha.

You also might want to go brush up on the details of said treaty, and who actually invalidated the treaty by breaking it in the first place, before spouting rubbish.

Japan woke a sleeping giant, who will never slumber again. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Isn't Japan your ally?

They broke the treaty first according to you and you alone. Excuse me if i take that with a grain of salt, especially after you refused to stop the arms race.

You invaded a country because a few people who happened to be from a certain oil-rich country slammed 2 airplanes in two of your buildings. You don't get to decide what wars should be started over, hypocrite.