North Carolina, U.S., square off over transgender rights

[Vanyali]

Because lots of people don't want men having the full legal right to peep on women in the bathroom, and children for that matter. Sure, things like taking videos or even molestation will still be illegal, but they will be a LOT easier primarily due to the fact that they can take all the steps necessary to do so legally, right up until they are committing the act itself, and by that time the damage is already done.

that you think this gives the legal right to peep, and that you suddenly fear for little girls but not little boys is hilarious.

[Ragedaug]

I'll take Things That Never Happened for $1000, Alex.

hahaha...yeah, no transgender has ever had trouble with the folks in the new restroom they are starting to use. Suuuuure.

[Espe]

Because lots of people don't want men having the full legal right to peep on women in the bathroom

This law doesn't protect against that. In fact it has caused people like those in the American Family Association to send pedophiles into restrooms with young girls.

I have a new idea for a law, one that bans clergy from public restrooms. After all, there is an actual issue with many of them abusing children. They should be sequestered in their own bathrooms for the safety of the general public.

[Spiffums]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politi...ment-deadline/

Proud of Gov. Pat McCroy for trying to stop this bullshit overreach by Obama and the DOJ.

I sincerely hope NC prevails in the case.

It's too hard for some people to grasp. I'm just waiting for them to complain about transgenders having to drive their cars in the same direction as other genders. They will need their own lanes and stuff that go wherever they want to go at that moment.

[Ragedaug]

Because lots of people don't want men having the full legal right to peep on women in the bathroom, and children for that matter. Sure, things like taking videos or even molestation will still be illegal, but they will be a LOT easier primarily due to the fact that they can take all the steps necessary to do so legally, right up until they are committing the act itself, and by that time the damage is already done.



Because before men weren't allowed in the women's restroom. If they were in there they could be escorted out by employees, security or if it came right down to it the police. But now its completely legal for them to go into the women's restroom as long as they 'say' they are trans. Which means that it is much easier to do the damaging crimes now, such as filming or even molestation (though not necessarily full on rape), now that everything up to the point where they do that thing is legal.

It's not just the "peeps" and voyeur stuff. I tend to agree with some of the Anti-NC folks on that point, there would likely be little to none of that. I would suspect it has more to do with the shyness people have with their normal bodily functions. There are people who are very shy to piss or crap in front of their own gender and get even more anxious about pissing and crapping next to someone of the opposite gender.

Not that Espe will believe me, but I know opposite sex couples who would not piss or crap without a closed door between them and their significant other.

[spinner981]

that you think this gives the legal right to peep, and that you suddenly fear for little girls but not little boys is hilarious.

What exactly is this post accomplishing? Also, I said 'children', not specifically little girls. I would also think it wrong for women to go into the men's restroom to peep and what not as well of course. But that is beside the point.

They shouldn't have the legal right to enter into the restroom of the opposite sex. If they have that right then 'peeping' boils down to 'he said she said' that can be explained away with "Oops! Accident!". Once you get to taking videos though, and molestation, yes those are still crimes but now there is no prior barrier to prevent these things from happening. You can't report those crimes until they have already happened, and by that time the damage is done.

It's not just the "peeps" and voyeur stuff. I tend to agree, there would likely be little to none of that. I would suspect it has more to do with the shyness people have with their normal bodily functions. There are people who are very shy to piss or crap in front of their own gender and get even more anxious about pissing and crapping next to someone of the opposite gender.

Not that Espe will believe me, but I know opposite sex couples who would not piss or crap without a closed door between them and their significant other.

Of course I agree, but this is one of those things that falls into the "Just get over it because I am fine with those sorts of things!" category of the SJW 'method of debate', hence they don't listen to it.

[xanzul]

When have they done anything like this besides making you use the washroom of your actual gender?

Most transgendered people I know don't call attention to the fact they are transgender and some go to great effort to leave their previous life behind after transitioning. It may not be important to you but it is still important for transgendered people especially those who have recently transitioned to finally be able to live as the gender they identity with and laws like this basically out them and prevent them from being able to fully move on with their lives.

[Vanyali]

What exactly is this post accomplishing? Also, I said 'children', not specifically little girls. I would also think it wrong for women to go into the men's restroom to peep and what not as well of course. But that is beside the point.

They shouldn't have the legal right to enter into the restroom of the opposite sex. If they have that right then 'peeping' boils down to 'he said she said' that can be explained away with "Oops! Accident!". Once you get to taking videos though, and molestation, yes those are still crimes but now there is no prior barrier to prevent these things from happening. You can't report those crimes until they have already happened, and by that time the damage is done.

I find it super telling that you think people who want to break the law wait to do so until they can "legally" do so by jumping through a great many hoops (HRT, for example) and putting on elaborate disguises.

It really illustrates how weak your grasp on reality is.

[xanzul]

I wonder why so many lefties feel this crippling need to have moral superiority.

Because being a bigoted transphobic person is so virtuous right?

[Espe]

I know opposite sex couples who would not piss or crap without a closed door between them and their significant other.

Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it.

[spinner981]

This law doesn't protect against that. In fact it has caused people like those in the American Family Association to send pedophiles into restrooms with young girls.

I have a new idea for a law, one that bans clergy from public restrooms. After all, there is an actual issue with many of them abusing children. They should be sequestered in their own bathrooms for the safety of the general public.

How exactly are we going to pin people as peepers then? It's clear cut when you have people looking through binoculars into people's windows, but being right there in the same vicinity and 'just so happening' to look is something that can be very easily explained away, especially if you are a woman in a man's restroom attempting to use a urinal. Even if they get so blatant us to stick their head under a stall, they can still just deny, deny, deny. That said, they could deny, deny, deny in the case of filming or even molestation too. But without the laws that lets them into those restrooms, they are breaking the rules just for being in there in the first place and can't just stake it out with peeping, filming or molestation in mind.

[Derpleton]

Really? I suppose you've never heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

There's a a reason why I made the exception for genetic mutations and the like. They tend to not follow the rules

[Ragedaug]

Of course I agree, but this is one of those things that falls into the "Just get over it because I am fine with those sorts of things!" category of the SJW 'method of debate', hence they don't listen to it.

Yeah, I had Espe saying I needed to take drugs and see a therapists because I was not comfortable with things he was comfortable with. So for sure, it's my fault.

[Derpleton]

None of this is actually true. It's the "basic introduction to biology" level of truth, but that's about it.

Well that's a bit contradictory don't you think? "It's true but it's not true".

[spinner981]

I find it super telling that you think people who want to break the law wait to do so until they can "legally" do so by jumping through a great many hoops (HRT, for example) and putting on elaborate disguises.

It really illustrates how weak your grasp on reality is.

Are you planning on making any actual points any time soon?

The point is that they don't have to jump through any hoops. All they have to do is claim they are trans when questioned, that's it. No elaborate disguises, no surgery, no certificate of transness, nothing. They can just decide all of a sudden that they think some woman who walked into the restroom is hot, so they want to go follow her into the restroom, and the woman can't do anything about it unless he starts filming or touching her, and by that time the damage is already done.

Now, are you going to actually respond to my point or pretend to discredit me by putting words into my mouth and providing no actual points yourself?

Yeah, I had Espe saying I needed to take drugs and see a therapists because I was not comfortable with things he was comfortable with. So for sure, it's my fault.

Duck thing avatar guy tends to be, well... ridiculous and I don't think I've ever seen him even try to make any points apart from just presenting his opinion and mocking anyone who disagrees.

[May90]

Of course I agree, but this is one of those things that falls into the "Just get over it because I am fine with those sorts of things!" category of the SJW 'method of debate', hence they don't listen to it.

It is not about "I am fine", it is about basic personal freedoms. "I am offended by it" or "I feel uncomfortable due to it" is not a valid reason for banning anything. It is not "I am fine with it, so let's allow it", it is "It doesn't harm anyone directly, so there is no reason to ban it".

[Vanyali]

Well that's a bit contradictory don't you think? "It's true but it's not true".

Most things you learn in K-12 are true, but only at a surface level and cover zero intricacies.

Like the fact that male isn't actually covered by Y itself, but a very specific gene on the Y, which can provide you with an XY female if it's blocked in any form from expressing itself.

[Espe]

How exactly are we going to pin people as peepers then?

Your rant is more solutions in search of problems. Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly. There are already laws against everything else you described, there is no need to bring transgendered people up at any point.

It's almost as if this latest attack on a minority group was orchestrated by conservative politicians in order to secure more votes from their bigoted, aging, addled base. How interesting.

Still waiting to hear your thoughts on my law banning clergy from public restrooms as again, there is actually an issue with them abusing children.

[Vanyali]

Are you planning on making any actual points any time soon?

The point is that they don't have to jump through any hoops. All they have to do is claim they are trans when questioned, that's it. No elaborate disguises, no surgery, no certificate of transness, nothing. They can just decide all of a sudden that they think some woman who walked into the restroom is hot, so they want to go follow her into the restroom, and the woman can't do anything about it unless he starts filming or touching her, and by that time the damage is already done.

Now, are you going to actually respond to my point or pretend to discredit me by putting words into my mouth and providing no actual points yourself?

Are you going to make any relevant points other than "men are all peepers waiting for it to be legal!"?

Because let me remind you what others have said: this has already been happening. Yet there's no rash of people rushing to peep. Other states? Don't have a trans-peeping issue. Why was this law made? Not because of a peeping issue, but because "concerned citizens" decided it'd be he perfect way for people to peep, even though there's no demonstrated problems with the way the laws current work.

This also doesn't touch on the fact that a transman with a penis is required to go to the women's restroom, penis and all, because he was born a female. Which you know, would be the problem this law is "trying to address" while forcing them to do it.


Statistically, if you want to "protect the children and women!" you'd be better served with them being in a bathroom with random strangers, male and female, that have never seen them, as friends and family are far more likely to assault, peep, and otherwise cause issues with them.

[xanzul]

It's quite simple really. If they really didn't have a problem and just wanted to do their business they wouldn't care and they'd go regardless.

The fact is, they do care.

If you're a Trans person and you're getting told to go into the bathroom the gender YOU MOST LOOK LIKE to avoid creeping out the other people in there. Do it. Stop being such a bleeding heart and just take a grunt in any sink you're alotted.

So that lesbian who was accused of being a male in the womens bathroom should be forced to use the men's bathroom? What the fuck is wrong with you people?

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Well, there is a sheer logistical issue here. Simply put, Women take up more space in Bathrooms than men. So those Trans people with a dong can still use a urinal.

Seriously?