No hes not. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Four_Horsemen
No hes not. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Four_Horsemen
That page doesn't list any sources for the "Tirion" information though. What about this: http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=2257...arion-mograine
Maybe it's the horses.
'A corpse should be left alone.'
Maybe the attempt to raise Tirion fails? And Darion takes his place.
Make senses, because raise tyrion would make a war between the ebon blade and all the paladin orden also kill a buch of crusader who are very good fighting demons dont make senses.
What makes it a self sacrifice is not for who he save, what makes it self-sacrifice is that he did it in the conviction that there was an injustice being made and he, as a paladin, had the obligation to stop it (he could be wrong, it doesn't really matter)
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That's interesting, it would be nice to see the Ebon Blade failing somehow (Its holy ground in the end, so it makes sense)
I will laugh.
Attacks ally and plan fails.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
That doesn't really take anything away from Tirion, considering Tirion showcased a desire to do what was necessary to ensure that Azeroth continued to survive and was literally two seconds from donning the Helm of Damnation. Furthermore, Tirion Fordring has absolutely nothing left but his duty to Azeroth, and the guy literally dies at the very beginning of things going to hell. I, for one, don't think the guy would miss the chance to not only redeem his failure, but fight with increased vigor, without the frailty of his own aging, and play a prominent role in ensuring that tomorrow is not a burning ball of burning felfire and instead a better day.
Not to mention, M-RA, but Metzen stepped aside as the head of the lore and writing department for Afrasiabi. So...
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Since you purposely refuse to get it, I'll say it again: your views on the matter are fucking irrelevant (also because there's no point in debating them, you constantly twist them to your convenience) personal sacrifice is personal sacrifice. If a decision of yours causes you to lose the things you care for and gain nothing in return that's the textbook definition of self-sacrifice. Tirion didn't simply face a Scourge apocalypse and lost everything, that's not "self-sacrifice", that's simply losing things in the manner every survivor of Lordaeron endured: self-sacrifice means consciously make the decision to sacrifice the comfort of all those things you care for and make your life whole, gaining nothing in return, in name of what you believe is right. On this regard, not a single Paladin in the world sacrificed more than what Tirion sacrificed.
Besides, I already proved in this very thread that your opinions are built over bias and personal convenience, using dishonest double standards to absolve a character while bashing another. Or the fact that you conveniently forget that Tirion lost everything not for saving Eitrigg but for refusing to forsake an oath.
Have at least the decency to not pretend to possess any reasonability in your absurd crusade.
You say not a single Paladin sacrificed more than Tirion sacrificed? He sacrificed a shit. He betrayed, just because of his personal ego. Betrayal is not a personal sacrifice and especially in Wotlk he sacrificed a shit. Ashbringer was purged by the Light of the Dawn, that's even stated in a quest by a Argent Crusade and all Tirion did was letting others die all the time. He let Alliance, Horde and Argent Crusade fight in a stupid tournament, just for his personal amusement. All he did in the end against Arthas was backstabbing him, something a good rogue could have done far earlier and better. And instead of honoring all those Paladins who really have sacrificed something to defeat the Lichking, he let build himself not one, not two but three statues, just to praise his own glory.
did it say anywhere tirion commisioned those statues? the tournament was to get people to northrend and get stronger. The only fight where alliance soldiers die is faction champs and that's because they stupidly rushed into a fight against the horde just because garrosh and varian had hardons for each other. Well i suppose that gnome warlock that summons jaraxus was a needless death. ICC was more faction BS.
Ashbringer was cleansed because Mograine threw it to Tirion, it could have stayed corrupted had mograine kept it. That weapon (and Tirion's supersaiyen prayer) saved us all from Arthas as he had clearly won both at light's hope chapel and the frozen throne.
Tirion organized the assault against arthas because he helped form a unified front (argent crusade). That right there is more than any other paladin has done since they decided to wear plate and not be clothy priests.
ghost Tirion. "you attack lights hope, cause deaths, just to raise me. what makes you different than arthas?"
Darion: "...."
Ghost Tirion: "now leave"
my wish with this new info.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
I personally really like Tirion
(as a character not a dk)
Well first of all, the orginal horsemens where paladins. And tirion can atleast fight on for this, he have always been a man that was willing to sacrifise himself for the greater good and for honor. ( Warcraft book" of blood and honor" ) And many big paladins have been turned into DK so is quit normal and fitting.