Respec and Talent Swap Cost Changes, Warcraft Movie TV Spots, Blue Posts, Dragons

[un_known]

Am i reading this wrong? or has everyone who has raged on this missed something here?

Changing specs in Legion will no longer cost gold!
Changing talents will be free in a city or your Order Hall.
Changing talents out in the field will require a reagent crafted by Inscription with a cost aimed at groups.
Currently, talent changes are free and instant out of combat, which isn't restrictive enough.
In the current build the system that is going away worked like this:
You could change from any spec to your primary spec for free, with your primary spec set at a class trainer.
Your first respec was free, with a cooldown of less than 24 hours to reset the cost to free again.
After that, respecs were 19, 39, 58, and capping at 78, with a 24 hour cooldown to drop one cost level each time you changed specs.


doesn't the bolded part basically say that the cost is going away? yet i still see people on beta forums raging about it?

[l33t]

doesn't the bolded part basically say that the cost is going away? yet i still see people on beta forums raging about it?

Cost for changing specs gone, replaced by even bigger cost for switching talents.

[Meggle]

Am i reading this wrong? or has everyone who has raged on this missed something here?

Changing specs in Legion will no longer cost gold!
Changing talents will be free in a city or your Order Hall.
Changing talents out in the field will require a reagent crafted by Inscription with a cost aimed at groups.
Currently, talent changes are free and instant out of combat, which isn't restrictive enough.
In the current build the system that is going away worked like this:
You could change from any spec to your primary spec for free, with your primary spec set at a class trainer.
Your first respec was free, with a cooldown of less than 24 hours to reset the cost to free again.
After that, respecs were 19, 39, 58, and capping at 78, with a 24 hour cooldown to drop one cost level each time you changed specs.


doesn't the bolded part basically say that the cost is going away? yet i still see people on beta forums raging about it?

No they're implementing a new cost, you need to be in a safe zone (IE City, Order Hall) or have a scribe drop an item on the ground that you stand near and can use to swap talents...in order to swap talents. You cannot just do it anywhere OOC (Unless near a said scribe dropped tome, no idea if it will be group restricted either IE need to be in group to use a-la portals) So any scribe will have to bring a metric buttload of them for raid since we can't rely on supplying our own means of doing talent swaps anymore, or you have to let people hearth out before bosses(or certain trash packs if its near the start of the xpac/is especially difficult trash) if you have no scribe/ran out of tomes to drop on the ground.

[Turtlewithnoshell]

Love the talent changes, ignore the QQ.

[Tornwar]

*complain complain - - - complain plain plain plain*

This is all I hear here. I wonder why Blizzard has a hard time.

[Deleted]

Am i reading this wrong? or has everyone who has raged on this missed something here?

Changing specs in Legion will no longer cost gold!
Changing talents will be free in a city or your Order Hall.
Changing talents out in the field will require a reagent crafted by Inscription with a cost aimed at groups.
Currently, talent changes are free and instant out of combat, which isn't restrictive enough.
In the current build the system that is going away worked like this:
You could change from any spec to your primary spec for free, with your primary spec set at a class trainer.
Your first respec was free, with a cooldown of less than 24 hours to reset the cost to free again.
After that, respecs were 19, 39, 58, and capping at 78, with a 24 hour cooldown to drop one cost level each time you changed specs.


doesn't the bolded part basically say that the cost is going away? yet i still see people on beta forums raging about it?

Well because for some classes you respecc allot, for example i main a warrior so lets see how that is in HFC.

1. Boss i have to start as a Fury with full AoE talentes, after that i respecc to Arms for Reaver (if i know he is down in 1 Phase, or single target Fury if he is going to air phase).
Then again respecc to Fury with full AoE for trash and Komrog - Arms for Council after that and so on and so on. And ofc all the later harder trash packs where you adapt your talents for just 2 or 3 packs of mobs and change back after that. And how will that look in progress when you have a harder time in those situations?
By the sounds of it, i cant farm enough gold to use 30 or more of these Inscription thingis per raid.

Its just that i as a raider want to be suited perfectly for each given situation. With that new systen i would either need a Mage to make me a portal every 5 minutes and a WL to summon me back or i could pick a build where im an allrounder, some AoE, some single target but not really good in neither. Both options sound really really really fun right? Not really.

The way it was worked perfectly it least in regards to raiding, they could have just made the dual spec to tripple spec (quadro spec for druids) and it would be even better.

[JohnRoads]

No they're implementing a new cost, you need to be in a safe zone (IE City, Order Hall) or have a scribe drop an item on the ground that you stand near and can use to swap talents...in order to swap talents. You cannot just do it anywhere OOC (Unless near a said scribe dropped tome, no idea if it will be group restricted either IE need to be in group to use a-la portals) So any scribe will have to bring a metric buttload of them for raid since we can't rely on supplying our own means of doing talent swaps anymore, or you have to let people hearth out before bosses(or certain trash packs if its near the start of the xpac/is especially difficult trash) if you have no scribe/ran out of tomes to drop on the ground.

Except that everyone can drop it.

They way I see it the main difference between wod and legion is gold cost for changing talents.

In wod you can freely switch between two preferred specs, and they can even be the same spec with two different talent setups. You talents can be changed with a regent that you can get from a vendor or a scribe.

In legion you'll be able to switch between all you different specialisations (two for DH, four for druids, and three for the rest). Your talents can be changed for free in cities or with an item you get from a scribe.

The difference is the price of the talent tome. No one know this price yet, and it may turn out cheaper for a full raid group taking gold inflation into account.

The place it does make a small difference is soloing content. Leveling, farming and/or old content. If you are so in to min/max that you change talents between pulls in that environment, then there is something to complain about.

[teverin]

They should just adopt the system Guild Wars 2 has. You can change spec/talents whenever you want (except in certain pvp activities and in combat). It just makes things more fluid and you feel as if you have more control over how your character plays.

They throw in these bullshit scenarios like...First, what if you could switch talents freely, at any time, including while in combat? or Second, what if you could literally never switch talents, short of making a brand new character?

So once they establish that they are doing us a favor by picking middle ground, they don't give any thought into something other than giving it a cost. There are games out there (GW2) that do not have costs and it still feels meaningful when you change something.

If anything should be free to change it should be talents. I would think that going into a group or raid you would have who is playing what spec all figured out and if need be you can go to a city to change for free OR pay on the spot. But talents, which are much more dynamic and can change per fight should be something more accessible.

[JohnRoads]

Well because for some classes you respecc allot, for example i main a warrior so lets see how that is in HFC.

1. Boss i have to start as a Fury with full AoE talentes, after that i respecc to Arms for Reaver (if i know he is down in 1 Phase, or single target Fury if he is going to air phase).
Then again respecc to Fury with full AoE for trash and Komrog - Arms for Council after that and so on and so on. And ofc all the later harder trash packs where you adapt your talents for just 2 or 3 packs of mobs and change back after that. And how will that look in progress when you have a harder time in those situations?
By the sounds of it, i cant farm enough gold to use 30 or more of these Inscription thingis per raid.

Its just that i as a raider want to be suited perfectly for each given situation. With that new systen i would either need a Mage to make me a portal every 5 minutes and a WL to summon me back or i could pick a build where im an allrounder, some AoE, some single target but not really good in neither. Both options sound really really really fun right? Not really.

The way it was worked perfectly it least in regards to raiding, they could have just made the dual spec to tripple spec (quadro spec for druids) and it would be even better.

I assume you are in a hardcore raiding guild if you need to min/max so much. In that case you are not the only one needing to change talents, and therefor you would only need to buy around one of those tomes, as the rest of the raid also can bring some.

[alaadar]

Once upon a time, in the vanilla that everyone is begging for, I had to got to a city and talk to a trainer. Then give them gold, that increased every time, to change my spec. Oh, and I only had access to one spec at a time.

[Deleted]

I assume you are in a hardcore raiding guild if you need to min/max so much. In that case you are not the only one needing to change talents, and therefor you would only need to buy around one of those tomes, as the rest of the raid also can bring some.

Yes ofc you are right on that one, but with that new system it seams to me brings just more inconvinience then pleasure to the game. And ofc im not always with my guild, what about a random raid on an alt, not sure it would work like this there.

[JohnRoads]

Yes ofc you are right on that one, but with that new system it seams to me brings just more inconvinience then pleasure to the game. And ofc im not always with my guild, what about a random raid on an alt, not sure it would work like this there.

The random raids you be going to is going to be different, but then again would you need to preform 100% or could you suffice with 95%?

[Carnedge]

You could change from any spec to your primary spec for free, with your primary spec set at a class trainer.
Your first respec was free, with a cooldown of less than 24 hours to reset the cost to free again.
After that, respecs were 19, 39, 58, and capping at 78, with a 24 hour cooldown to drop one cost level each time you changed specs.

Ok this ^^^ was a much better design than this scribe crap.

[Unholyground]

Changing talents doesn't need a freaking cooldown or a reagent cost aimed at groups. I don't know what Blizzard is smoking - they are trying to do everything to make this game less fun. The point of the new talent system was it's convenience, but now we've to return to safe points? Wtf

It is not that big of a deal, It just means your choices have more consequences to your survivability in the wild.

[IIamaKing]

Being able to change talents so easily did erode part of the rpg feeling. As pointed out when things are that easy to switch it no longer becomes a meaningful choice. With the talent switch cost removed I imagine you could set up an aoe and a single target spec, should you so wish.

And, why is that bad?

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lol so now

- spec changing is free
- talent changing is free in cities/order halls


and people STILL bitch ?

cleanse humanity right now, NOW

Just a hunch, I bet A LOT of the people who frequently change talents are not doing it in cities. They are doing it in raids, a place where going to a city is massively inconvenient.

[Deleted]

The random raids you be going to is going to be different, but then again would you need to preform 100% or could you suffice with 95%?

More like 80% vs 100%.

[Hoodzilla]

Talent changes are free and not restrictive out of combat.

Why should there be a restriction on talent changes out of combat, this doesnt make a lot of sense.

[Kiri]

Why are people so angry about inscription getting a 'must have' thing for raids. I don't think I heard anyone complain about 'I have to buy potions for every pull to maximize my usefulness to the raid, they are giving alchemists too much power'. Or swapping gems in and out if one stat is better for AoE than another. The thing is just that it is something that you got used to do for 'free' (since tomes are so easy to buy) to something that costs something. In the end, hardcore raiders will stack up on tomes and still change, less hardcore raiders will not bother to swap. People did not swap specs or talents all the time before the tome system and just played a spec that could adapt best to most situations.

[Pruke]

You people complaining about cost of changing talents. So you know the cost of the inscription item that anyone can use? No you have no clue, all you know is they said it would be aimed towards groups. What do we have now that is aimed at groups? Feasts, how hard are those to make? How expensive is a feast on the AH? May be the inscription item will be more costly, so what, go make some gold or add inscription as a trade skill and make your own. Trade skills no longer make a significant impact or group/raid content anyhow.

People are such babies, no one has all the information yet somehow a majority of folks are screaming the sky is falling already. Same people who complained about the incremental cost of respecing, which was to be capped at 78g and had a 24-hour decay.

If you think you need to min-max on trash for raids or 5-mans then you seriously need to reevaluate your group/raid skill level.

This is the new plan, do you think that they will make the new inscription item so rare or hard to get that the alternative for raids will be, people hearthing back to town and being summoned constantly? Now I know you all feel blizzard is a bunch of idiots, but come on they are not that stupid. They know currently it looks like that is the best option we would come up with to circumvent their design intent, which will break the goal. Which means they will have to stop it by either making summons in raid zones not work, or they will need to make the inscription items fairly simple to make (like feasts).

Come on folks, at least try to be adults here, explain why you feel this should not go live and keep the sky is falling, blizzard is stupid, this is the dimmest idea ever posts for another time.

[Varixdos]

My problem is they think everyone was abusing the talent system when in fact we were adapting to the situation that we're given to us by them! Can't have so many good things without throwing something bad into the mix.

I'm predicting talent restrictions will be debated just like flying now. Oh, joy.