Do you think nuking Japan was a necessary evil?

[Daymanmb]

Not really, the wars in Africa were an extension of the European theatre.

Semantics.

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defeated power is always going to be humiliated and thristing for revenge

Way to ignore my question.

[NineSpine]

defeated power is always going to be humiliated and thristing for revenge

Not really, we established a positive relationship with basically every adversary in WWII very rapidly, helping many of them rebuild directly. There was basically no reprisal post-war.

[Dreknar20]

If you choose to ignore that Japan was trying to negotiate peace, sure.

there was no negotioation.

US decided to settle for nothing but unconditional surrender

[Macaquerie]

Despite Japan trying to negotiate peace? Was this about peace or humiliation?

World War II was not going to end with a negotiated peace. The Japanese had their chance to surrender unconditionally before the bomb was dropped but kept clinging to this notion that they could somehow have peace with honor, after having behaved most dishonorably in all of the lands they occupied.

[Nobar]

The bombing of Dresden was worse.

Lest we forget: the Rape of Nanking, which showed that the Japanese were not above such acts.

[Daymanmb]

there was no negotioation.

US decided to settle for nothing but unconditional surrender

Then it was about humiliation and not peace.

[Kalis]

how is that even a source of argument.

Japan didn't surrender, thus the war was on going. Seems pretty straight forward.

The person claimed that the war was over, which is true of the war in Europe against Germany, but obviously not true of the war in the Pacific against Japan.

[Daymanmb]

World War II was not going to end with a negotiated peace.

It wasnt tried. You can only say that because the allies ignored the negotiations.

[Machismo]

Just remember, when you support the killing of innocent people, you don't really get to complain when the same thing happens on your side of the border. The bombings were more of a way to threaten the Soviets than anything else. We wanted to show the world what we were capable of, and that happened to be the detonating of an atomic bomb, killing thousands of innocent people. It's not exactly something to be proud of, but it should also not be forgotten. It is what it is, a part of our history.

[Dreknar20]

There was basically no reprisal post-war.

that was more for geopolitical outcomes.

Defeated powers were too fucked up/occupied/ no longer major powers. Thus not able to over turn settlements after the war.

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Then it was about humiliation and not peace.

they are one and the same

[Daymanmb]

Thus not able to over turn settlements after the war.

A demonstration of the power without using it on a population would have achieved the same outcome.

[Deleted]

By and large i think the same results (ending the war immediately vs quickly + intimidating russia) could have been achieved by using non-civilian targets.

I also think the use of a few nuclear weapons would have been inevitable somewhere else if they hadn't been used in WW2, so in that context i think it was a good only early relatively undeveloped versions were used.

[NineSpine]

that was more for geopolitical outcomes.

Defeated powers were too fucked up/occupied/ no longer major powers. Thus not able to over turn settlements after the war.

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they are one and the same

No, they aren't the same. The humiliation and punishment of Germany CAUSED WWII. Peace prevented WWIII.

[Daymanmb]

they are one and the same

So when a country wants to negotiate peace, drop 2 nukes on it instead? This is when I stop replying to your nonsense..

[Saucexorzski]

A demonstration of the power without using it on a population would have achieved the same outcome.

you cant prove that.

[Kalis]

Semantics.

Not really, the war in Africa was primarily fought by German and Italian troops, so when they surrendered the war in Africa ended. It was therefore an extension of the European theatre, just as war in the Middle East was.

[Daymanmb]

you cant prove that.

Isnt that fucking obvious? Just like you cant prove nukes saved hundereds of thousands of lives.

[BananaHandsB]

After witnessing Obama (whom I despise) set foot into Hiroshima presumably to simply to assert his American might seeing how he made no apology or feel any real remorse

One of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read.

[NineSpine]

you cant prove that.

The same outcome would have come about with no dropping of the bomb. This is already settled among historians.

[Dreknar20]

No, they aren't the same. The humiliation and punishment of Germany CAUSED WWII. Peace prevented WWIII.

You know, maybe if you apply geopolitics instead of idealistic moralism into policies?

Germany was humiliated either way. But after WWI they were still a major power, despite resitrictions, and thus able to fight back within a few years.
A countires capabilities are much more important than their intentions.