Is Europe lurching to the far right?

[Deleted]

Are you totally incapable of carrying civilized discussion? None of the things you said made sense, just a flow of hate and rage. Why post if that's all you have to say?

Also, a notion that everyone disagreeing with you must be paid is something signature-worthy.

Man you love me or something? You replied 10 tiems to me already...
Like i said before i dont rage over some leftist brainwashed people. Im here to express myself freely.

Your arguments are trash and idiotic, i didnt say that someone who disagrees with me must be paid, i said someone who agrees with the massive immigration to EU by the millions must be paid for his opinion or he is insane.

Try to read and understand next time please.

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I'm sure, that the Syrians are just economic immigrants, not people fleeing from a nation being bombarded by 5 different nations in a civil war.

Syrians are a very low minority among the migrants in EU, these past years.
Most migrants are economic ones who come here just to leech on welfare.

True refugees should be taken in by Saudi Arabia as their culture is closer. And you should migrate to their country aswell and help them not invite them here to stir shit up.

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Man you love me or something? You replied 10 tiems to me already...
Like i said before i dont rage over some leftist brainwashed people. Im here to express myself freely.

Your arguments are trash and idiotic, i didnt say that someone who disagrees with me must be paid, i said someone who agrees with the massive immigration to EU by the millions must be paid for his opinion or he is insane.

Try to read and understand next time please.

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Syrians are a very low minority among the migrants in EU, these past years.
Most migrants are economic ones who come here just to leech on welfare.

True refugees should be taken in by Saudi Arabia as their culture is closer. And you should migrate to their country aswell and help them not invite them here to stir shit up.

I never invited anyone here.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks :P

[Alydael]

How did the issue of benefits magically enter the picture all of a sudden?

I don't mean benefits as in social program benefits. I mean it as in "what good is it doing society at all?"

[Deleted]

I never invited anyone here.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks :P

Aww comon i know you love them and would like to help all of them.
If far right ever comes, man i hope they also deport some of these big hearted leftist people. Straight to South Africa and Syria to help them, such kind persons.

[Mayhem]

Aww comon i know you love them and would like to help all of them.
If far right ever comes, man i hope they also deport some of these big hearted leftist people. Straight to South Africa and Syria to help them, such kind persons.

Say, where are you from and what values do you hold dear?

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Aww comon i know you love them and would like to help all of them.
If far right ever comes, man i hope they also deport some of these big hearted leftist people. Straight to South Africa and Syria to help them, such kind persons.

I have no strong feeling one way or the other. So now you want to deport anyone who doesn't share your opinion or what?

[Alydael]

Politics is essentially about communication between people. Politics will not change as long as we don't change the way we communicate between people politically. We're stuck with essentially a 19th century system that has barely seen any kind of change or innovation despite massive technological innovation in communication technology.

People are angry and cynic because they want to be part of the conversation, but our political institutions are keeping us out.

I don't even want to be part of the conversation really. I live my life different from most and don't expect my lifestyle to appeal to anyone else, so I don't think I would be of much use as "part of the conversation." I just want honest people with vision and leadership qualities instead of liars and cheats on the take. I look at these politicians on media/tv and I am just totally disgusted. Maybe someone who was not totally disgusting would work too.

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LOL - that's funny. With Trump lurching from A to not A and back again several times a day, you are critical of CLINTON.

That's hilarious dude

In which part of my post did you see me support Trump (quote it)? Don't assume, little gnome, we all know what happened at gnomeregan.....

[schwarzkopf]

In which part of my post did you see me support Trump (quote it)?

In which part of my post did I say you did support trump ?

(quote it)? Don't assume, etc etc etc.

[DrMcNinja]

To all the lefties trying to shift the blame on the people - know that the rise of far right is only possibly against the backdrop of your impotence, incompetence and overall lunacy.

And I agree. While I don't really love the right wing parties here, the leftists brought it upon themselves.

[Alydael]

In which part of my post did I say you did support trump ?

(quote it)? Don't assume, etc etc etc.

If Trump was not in my post and you responded to my post, why else would you even mention Trump then? Unless you were desperate for a way to attack Trump and trying to string something together? Not sure on the point you were making? If you wanted to attack Trump, you should start a new thread (there are many) or just reply to OP. Why reply to my thread attacking Trump when there was no mention of him at all in the post? really doesn't make much sense...

[Ghostpanther]

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My mother was kept in a swedish prison briefly during the war when her family fled occupied poland. She speaks about it as if it was the happiest time of her life.

There are real prisons and there are make believe ones. There are cases here in the US of some committing crimes again once they have been released because life was better while in prison for them. Depends on the person and what they are use to and want to do. Having a warm bed to sleep in and 3 meals a day can make some feel a lot better.

[Grummgug]

The hallmark of the left is a massive bureaucracy. The hallmark of the right is a lean government that relies on charity to provide social programs. What brings a leftist government to its knees is a bureaucracy that is so bloated and corrupt that the system is utterly noncompetitive with leaner systems.

So imagine a Europe that pours money into welfare, "free" health care, "free" education, a bloated government bureaucracy, "free" basic income, and believes it lives in a post war world so it spends little on an army. Then imagine there's pressure from a expansionist Russia that also forces Europe to start spending a lot on an army. Meanwhile, a third country outside of that sphere has little big government programs but a large manufacturing base and produces cheap goods and begins making tons of money and taking market share.

Its like the battle of Sears (Europe) vs Amazon (the country pumping out cheap goods). There can be only one winner. If allowed to go on long enough, Europe will either have to accept second world status or drastically boost its debt load to keep its first world status for a few more decades until the debt load crushes them and they wind up with third world status.

[DJ117]

Over some Muslims fleeing genocide. You might get some "Europeans" with loud voices but the same way that I do not want them to think Donald Trump speaks for all of America is the same way I am sure they do not want these loud voices to speak for them.

Every country has bigots and does not like change. There are legitimate concerns with Muslim culture and how they view women's rights and the role of religion in government but that is a constructive discussion that can be had.

How do you have a constructive discussion with a group that does not want one? They prefer violence and terror to get what they want.

[schwarzkopf]

If Trump was not in my post and you responded to my post, why else would you even mention Trump then?

That you criticised Clinton when Trump is clearly worse... that's all. Pretty obvious really.

[alexw]

Corbyn was picked because the Labour election system got hijacked by students, he is unelectable as he is too far left for England, Blair realised that and took the party away from that Kinnock-era leftist crap by pushing them toward the centre.

He did not win just the student vote but also the votes of all the old timers and main-stream party members. Also in the most recent UK elections the labour party did pretty well which does not suggest that with respect to the general electorate he is too far left.

My own view is similar to advanta's that the center ground is loosing out and that those outside of that on both the left and right are gaining in strength. So while in some nations we see the far right becoming stronger such as in austria and poland, in others such as spain and greece its the far left becoming more powerful.

The center cannot hold.

[Mayhem]

If Trump was not in my post and you responded to my post, why else would you even mention Trump then? Unless you were desperate for a way to attack Trump and trying to string something together? Not sure on the point you were making? If you wanted to attack Trump, you should start a new thread (there are many) or just reply to OP. Why reply to my thread attacking Trump when there was no mention of him at all in the post? really doesn't make much sense...

Weren´t you the first one to mention clinton in this thread?

[ArguesWithStrangers]

And Trump is different.. how exactly?


The PVV and Trump voters have many things in common, one of them: They are proven to be lower educated in general.
So please tell me how you feel bad for the "intelligent" citizens.

Don't make the mistake of equating education for intelligence, and being intelligent for being wise. History is littered with the corpses of "sophisticated" urban intellectuals who were butchered at the hands of the unwashed barbarians they sneered at.

[araine]

To the right of center, yes.

The far right is just a few terror attacks and another financial crisis away.

And you can add the gas chambers and mandatory clearings of the ghettos as well to that list. We hear the same thing from the same type of people as we did in the early stages of the 1930s right now. And it is people that remember those days that still are around us that says i have seen this shit before.

[Ahovv]

I don't quite understand why people tend to associate far right with nationalism. Far right simply means a very strong focus on free market with little to no control over corporations and such, it doesn't have to feature nationalism.

Oh, it "simply" means that? Free markets? Pretty sure a free market is more associated with libertarianism than anything. I happen to enjoy free markets but I also don't care if gays get married, or if drugs are legal. I'm still "far right?" Learn something new every day.

[May90]

Oh, it "simply" means that? Free markets? Pretty sure a free market is more associated with libertarianism than anything. I happen to enjoy free markets but I also don't care if gays get married, or if drugs are legal. I'm still "far right?" Learn something new every day.

Your stance on gay marriages has nothing to do with left-right whatsoever. Left-right is an economical scale; the societal scale is a different beast entirely.