Murky world of PC game key reselling exposed by indie developer

[Jtbrig7390]

Actually they don't.

(If you're going to assume I'm in your country and follow the same rules as you, then the reverse applies)

I am in the US and they do here. By ur logic its ok for everyone to turrent games because its ok in one country.

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Any store that offers a warranty.

You do know those are put in place to protect the consumer against defective products, right?

Not that you addressed my points in the slightest...

All stores offer a base warranty that does NOT cost you extra. In order to be protected at all with G2A you must pay for it or your fucked.

If I buy a game from Amazon,Gamestop,Walmart I am 100% protected without paying extra. See the difference yet?

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Hehe yeah i will have to prioritise, will not be easy

Also i have played games for 20 years and have almost always bought them at full price, so the developers have gotten more then enough money from me, acually think they could ship some for free as along time costumer.

I remember when i was a kid and had to save up all my money for along time just to be able to buy one game.

Ya the bolded makes you sound really entited. You do realize the cost to make (Example: Resident Evil 2 didn't cover Resident Evil VII right?) Each game has a cost of development and just because you paided for one doesn't entitle you to the other.

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I am in the US and they do here. By ur logic its ok for everyone to turrent games because its ok in one country.

No, you applied that logic first by stating that as the shop was responsible in the US, it was where I am also.

Also my logic regarding "turrent"-ing games has not been discussed so you are clutching at straws, which quite ironically you use to build a strawman.

[ParanoiD84]

I am in the US and they do here. By ur logic its ok for everyone to turrent games because its ok in one country.

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All stores offer a base warranty that does NOT cost you extra. In order to be protected at all with G2A you must pay for it or your fucked.

If I buy a game from Amazon,Gamestop,Walmart I am 100% protected without paying extra. See the difference yet?

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Ya the bolded makes you sound really entited. You do realize the cost to make (Example: Resident Evil 2 didn't cover Resident Evil VII right?) Each game has a cost of development and just because you paided for one doesn't entitle you to the other.

It was a joke but whatever.

[Raiju]

Any store that offers a warranty.

You do know those are put in place to protect the consumer against defective products, right?

Not that you addressed my points in the slightest...

You have rights against defective products regardless of extended (the word you mean) warranty in nearly every first world country.

[Jtbrig7390]

No, you applied that logic first by stating that as the shop was responsible in the US, it was where I am also.

Also my logic regarding "turrent"-ing games has not been discussed so you are clutching at straws, which quite ironically you use to build a strawman.

I am quite sure its illegal to steal in most country's but do clue me in on the ones that its legal in.

Edit: To add most first world country's do have a digital rights protection (If that's what its called I can't remember atm).

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It was a joke but whatever.

Kinda why I said it makes you sound it and not that you are.

Believe it or not some do think that way.

[ParanoiD84]

Also alot of games comming out is complete shit and is not worth even 5$.

[Jtbrig7390]

Also alot of games comming out is complete shit and is not worth even 5$.

Then don't buy them. You have no rights to play the game if you are not willen to pay for it.

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I am quite sure its illegal to steal in most country's but do clue me in on the ones that its legal in.

Again you take what I said and imply we are discussing something else.

I have made no reference to whether it is illegal to steal so please do me the favour of not being so facetious.

[unholytestament]

All stores offer a base warranty that does NOT cost you extra.

And they charge for ones that last longer than a week or a month (depends on the item, store, value, etc.).

In order to be protected at all with G2A you must pay for it or your fucked.

That still doesn't detract from my point. You can get a refund, they will deal with problem sellers.

If I buy a game from Amazon,Gamestop,Walmart I am 100% protected without paying extra. See the difference yet?

No, you are guaranteed (in the Gamestop example) a full cash refund if you return it within a week or a functioning replacement if you return it within a month.

100% protected kind of implies you can return it at any time, no?

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This made me laugh from the article linked:

In the eyes of these consumers, they bought games through a store — albeit a "gray market" store — and they deserved to play the games they had bought there.

Hey McDonald's, this burger that I bought from a guy on the side of the road is just full of cardboard, you must replace it with a real one because I'm not responsible for my poor choices!

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Hehe yeah i will have to prioritise, will not be easy

Also i have played games for 20 years and have almost always bought them at full price, so the developers have gotten more then enough money from me, acually think they could ship some for free as along time costumer.

I remember when i was a kid and had to save up all my money for along time just to be able to buy one game.

As I added to the previous post, try Prisjakt, as you're swedish. I found Total War: Warhammer for 400 SEK on Elgiganten, through Prisjakt. Quite the price difference to Steam and even G2A.

[darkblood14]

Oook, let me see if I can understand you Jtbrig7390, you are implying that if I go to the company X retail store and steal 100 boxes of gold and go to ebay.com and sell them dirt cheap before the retailer has a chance to catch up with the sale, we should close down ebay, right? I, that stole the product, should walk free unconcerned... good theory!

Or let me give you another example, random troll posts a BOX of an iPhone over ebay but writes the post in such a way that the iphone is in the box (maybe slap a picture of the product too to make it more convincing). A buyer comes, thinks he can get an iphone 30% cheaper and accepts the deal, should we kill ebay?

In both cases ebay was just the middle man, the only thing a middle man can do in these cases is to never make deals with the offender. Yes they can report everything they have to the police, but they are not obligated to do so, here comes morals in to play. Only an active investigation can make a request for them to release everything they have on the offender.

The only blame I would put on G2A at the moment is ignorance and as a random company making a big buck out of it, I can't really fault their logic.

[Yunru]

Well what stops them from simply using a keygen for some games?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keygen
(exept part that may not work online in some cases)

[Jtbrig7390]

And they charge for ones that last longer than a week or a month (depends on the item, store, value, etc.).

That still doesn't detract from my point. You can get a refund, they will deal with problem sellers.

No, you are guaranteed (in the Gamestop example) a full cash refund if you return it within a week or a functioning replacement if you return it within a month.

100% protected kind of implies you can return it at any time, no?

1) Yes you can buy warranty that lasts longer. But with G2A you must buy protection or you have NONE. Does not matter what happens. If you did NOT spend the $2 They will NOT refund you shit.

2) No Gamestop will NOT refund you on new titles only on used. With New titles they only offer a replacement.

3) No 100% protected does not imply anything. 100% protected means you are protected 100%. G2A offers you 0% protection unless you pay for it.

Would you like me to post a screenshot of Gamestops warranty to prove you wrong?

[Raiju]

@darkblood14 yes ebay has a responsibility to stop fraudulent transactions on their marketplace. Both ebay & amazon have got in trouble for neglecting this in the past.

They also actively take down listings advertising boxes misleadingly. Once again, they are held accountable by trading standards.

[Jtbrig7390]

Oook, let me see if I can understand you Jtbrig7390, you are implying that if I go to the company X retail store and steal 100 boxes of gold and go to ebay.com and sell them dirt cheap before the retailer has a chance to catch up with the sale, we should close down ebay, right? I, that stole the product, should walk free unconcerned... good theory!

Ebay should return/refund the product back to the stolen store and you should be charged with breaking the law.

kinda why ebay has a protection in place.

Also kinda why G2A should do background checks and all to allow sells. I shouldn't be able to go to there website spend 2mins and make a account then start selling.

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@darkblood14 yes ebay has a responsibility to stop fraudulent transactions on their marketplace. Both ebay & amazon have got in trouble for neglecting this in the past.

They also actively take down listings advertising boxes misleadingly. Once again, they are held accountable by trading standards.

This 100%.

[ParanoiD84]

Then don't buy them. You have no rights to play the game if you are not willen to pay for it.

I wont as i research the games i will play, but i can see alot of people getting ripped of, take the new homefront or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 that's completely broken for example, i dont blame people for downloading them or buying them of sites like G2A.

Then there is games releasing like Aliens: Colonial Marines, now that game deserved to be pirated like fuck and does in no way deserves to be bought full price.

Some games just dont warant a full price tag.

[Jtbrig7390]

I wont as i research the games i will play, but i can see alot of people getting ripped of, take the new homefront or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 that's completely broken for example, i dont blame people for downloading them or buying them of sites like G2A.

Then there is games releasing like Aliens: Colonial Marines, now that game deserved to be pirated like fuck and does in no way deserves to be bought full price.

Some games just dont warant a full price tag.

The three games you listed are shit titles. But it is the consumers fault if they buy them not knowing. Be a smart consumer and do ur research. The only person they have to blame for buying a shit product is themselves.

[darkblood14]

Ebay should return/refund the product back to the stolen store and you should be charged with breaking the law.

kinda why ebay has a protection in place.

Also kinda why G2A should do background checks and all to allow sells. I shouldn't be able to go to there website spend 2mins and make a account then start selling.

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This 100%.

I clearly stated the the retailer never got the chance to report it before the transaction went on. For all intends and purposes ebay is unable to detect if the product is stolen or legit. Ok maybe 100 boxes is kinda a big number and would flag something fishy to ebay, let us say that I went to an Apple store and managed to steal a phone without anyone realizing this and quickly sell it to ebay as an used device, how would ebay know that my product is stolen? The Apple store wouldn't detect my crime until they do an inventory check so it can take a while.

[Jtbrig7390]

I clearly stated the the retailer never got the chance to report it before the transaction went on. For all intends and purposes ebay is unable to detect if the product is stolen or legit. Ok maybe 100 boxes is kinda a big number and would flag something fishy to ebay, let us say that I went to an Apple store and managed to steal a phone without anyone realizing this and quickly sell it to ebay as an used device, how would ebay know that my product is stolen? The Apple store wouldn't detect my crime until they do an inventory check so it can take a while.

No system is perfect but having no system is bad. Good chance apple would track the phone (since they can and if its worth there time) see who has it and go from there. If they for example tracked it to you then you would just show you bought it from ebay who would then show the seller. Some things slip though the cracks. But for times they don't there is systems in place. The thing with G2A is they have no system. At best they make you pay for the protection and at worse your fucked. You shouldn't have to pay extra for a base level of protection.

There is legal protection in place for both Ebay and Buyers.