[TV/Books] Game of Thrones ***SPOILER Discussion***

[Konteil]

i think that were also all forgettnig that king Robb left a will that legitimized john and made him his Heir in the books.

[Hawthorne Wipes]

Sure, but he was just a raging nerd when he did it.

She actually has all that stuff.

Now she can fulfill her father's last whises and "buuuurn them aaaaall!!"

[Therougetitan]

If the Northern houses pick Jon as King of the North does that auto-legitimize him?

Wonder how a Tyrion - Sansa reunion would go down.
He was always good to her in KL.

Tyrion+Everything reunion would be great. He was also good to Jon and Bran. He'll probably get Daenerys in full support of the Starks. Then there's Pod, Bronn and Jaime reunions (thought that last one might not be pretty).

There's nothing more I want than Tyrion just interacting with people in Westeros.

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He'll probably get Daenerys in full support of the Starks.

Yeah, I don't think that this will happen.
I think Dany hasn't forgotten that the Starks aided Robert in rebelling against Aerys... Unless she learns about Jon's parents, I don't see her supporting the Starks.

[Sooba]

Yeah, I don't think that this will happen.
I think Dany hasn't forgotten that the Starks aided Robert in rebelling against Aerys... Unless she learns about Jon's parents, I don't see her supporting the Starks.

She also knows through Barristan that they were justified in their rebellion. So ultimately her choice about the Starks will likely depend entirely on which Dany shows up.

[Hawthorne Wipes]

She also knows through Barristan that they were justified in their rebellion. So ultimately her choice about the Starks will likely depend entirely on which Dany shows up.

And sir Jorah, one of her closest advisors, isn't very found on the Starks either..

[Sooba]

That's why I don't think the show is just trying to show some "female power" thing with her, but rather her becoming power hunger and more mad. As said a few comments back, this downfall could turn her into the antihero of the show.

I get the sense that that is her greatest temptation. The dragons represent force, and dependence/addiction to it. In the books Daario represents the seductiveness of violence.

I get the sense, though, that she is making a move to social contract theory. The question is which philosophy comes to full fruition first.

[cubby]

i think that were also all forgettnig that king Robb left a will that legitimized john and made him his Heir in the books.

I've heard that was in the books but iirc we haven't seen anything of it in the show. Perhaps that comes out in the Season 6 finale . . . .

[Sooba]

And sir Jorah, one of her closest advisors, isn't very found on the Starks either..

He's dead before long. He also blames himself for most of what happened surrounding that particular issue.

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I've heard that was in the books but iirc we haven't seen anything of it in the show. Perhaps that comes out in the Season 6 finale . . . .

My memory is hazy surrounding that, but I thought in the books either we don't know for sure Robb did it or the letter got lost, or some such.

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Character flaws abound, indeed.

Much like how Ramsay seemed a bit flustered at first with the notion of dealing with people who did not give two fucks about his mindgames, Petyr may well find himself too used to pulling strings and out of his element when foes who cannot be reasoned with come calling.

Have we even established that he knows/believes anything about the walkers?

There's no indication in either medium that he's given any thought to the possibility. Which means he'd likely be well and truly fucked. I'm also trying to imagine a world where Baelish survives an encounter with them. Would he understand that this changes everything for his worldview? It's all well and good to theorize about chaos as a ladder (as Tywin brought him up short about in the show), but what happens when true annihilation comes calling? Would he even be able to change? I'm not so sure. That's part of the reason I simply don't see him lasting much longer.

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My memory is hazy surrounding that, but I thought in the books either we don't know for sure Robb did it or the letter got lost, or some such.

We know he did it, last we heard the letter was with Maege Mormont, but we haven't heard from her since Book 3 I think, when she went to find Howland Reed.

[Sooba]

We know he did it, last we heard the letter was with Maege Mormont, but we haven't heard from her since Book 3 I think, when she went to find Howland Reed.

Well THERE'S an obvious lead-in. Hah. Glad you remembered.

Howland might play into him being legitimized, but... yeah... Incoming bombshell

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He's dead before long. He also blames himself for most of what happened surrounding that particular issue.

Jorah won't die yet. He has to get cured first. Shireen was cured somehow. Why tease it when we don't know how to cure it? That storyline isn't over just yet.

[Sooba]

Jorah won't die yet. He has to get cured first. Shireen was cured somehow. Why tease it when we don't know how to cure it? That storyline isn't over just yet.

Not likely, I'm afraid. The only people known to survive greyscale are children. And given that Jorah is taking on Connington's storyline, something is going to happen there. That's not to say it can't happen. It just isn't likely.

Also, that doesn't deal with the second part. While Jorah felt judged by Ned, he knew what he did was wrong. He largely blames himself and his former wife. He also knows that Ned was following the law of the land at that point. I don't think Jorah wold hold some weird grudge against Sansa or Jon.

[eschatological]

Characters in show have said that there were many dragon skulls in the Iron Throne room, varying in sizes. Drogon is also bigger than the other two dragons.

There really isn't a standard or full size, since it's said that - "they never stop growing as long as they live, and they can live for centuries. The largest Targaryen dragon, Balerion the Black Dread, lived for nearly two centuries and had a skull the size of a carriage."

The lore in the books is that dragons never stop growing, and only death and being confined stops their size. The older the dragon, the more freedom it has, the larger it will become. The smaller dragons of later years come from being brought up in chains, as house pets and court amusements. The "reason" Drogon is bigger than the other two, in the books, is because they managed to chain them up underground, but Drogon roamed free for a couple years. I imagine it's something similar in the show.

As for Jorah not liking the Starks - he didn't like his punishment, but I don't think he ever thought Ned Stark was being wholly unjust. He just saw him rigid to the letter of the law.

[Fayenoor]

Daeny will become the Queen in King's Landing with Sansa as the ruler of Winterfell and allied to her.
Daeny's Council will include Tyrion, Varis and LF. Bran Stark will be her seer.

Jon Snow will die in the battle against the Night King - more appropriately, he will get consumed by the winter and will take the Night King's spot and take the dead back up the wall back to where they belong. He will become the new Night King and make sure they keep their promise and don't venture South of the Wall ever again.

[TickTickTick]

Jon Snow will die in the battle against the Night King - more appropriately, he will get consumed by the winter and will take the Night King's spot and take the dead back up the wall back to where they belong. He will become the new Night King and make sure they keep their promise and don't venture South of the Wall ever again.

Oh god... i can already see it...

Place the crown upon my head, Sam. Forever more, I will be the jailor of the Others.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Jon Snow will die in the battle against the Night King - more appropriately, he will get consumed by the winter and will take the Night King's spot and take the dead back up the wall back to where they belong. He will become the new Night King and make sure they keep their promise and don't venture South of the Wall ever again.

So basically this:

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Daeny will become the Queen in King's Landing with Sansa as the ruler of Winterfell and allied to her.
Daeny's Council will include Tyrion, Varis and LF. Bran Stark will be her seer.

Jon Snow will die in the battle against the Night King - more appropriately, he will get consumed by the winter and will take the Night King's spot and take the dead back up the wall back to where they belong. He will become the new Night King and make sure they keep their promise and don't venture South of the Wall ever again.

There must always be ... *thunder* ... a Night King.

[Mitters]

Seriously though I think this was Dany's best scene in the entire show, the way Drogon showed his alpha status by landing above them and then simply jumping next to his mother.

[Fayenoor]

So basically this:

Yea.. I put a Metzen touch to GoT



If one Daeny's dragons die and get resurrected by the Night King, will it become a Frost Wyrm?