BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Deleted]

Frexit next?

France is part of the core of the EU, unlike Britain that was always one foot out of the organization. That survey should be looked as the need for EU reforms.

[Osmeric]

Damn, Germany and France don't like the EU that much and they're like the EU. Why not just dismantle the EU, and make something everyone wants? EU2?

We could just recognize what the EU's geographic boundaries are like now and call it the 4th Reich.

(This is not to say it's Nazi, but rather to accentuate Germany's increasing dominance with the looming departure of the UK.)

[Dezerte]

And why should leave have required 60%, but not remain? This is not democracy.

While you may be right to some extent, the issue is what if another referendum is held 2 years from now and now the majority wants to join again. You really only want to join/leave the EU once, flip-flopping too much isn't very good for your country (or the EU), which is why it may be a good idea to make sure that the vast majority of the people is with you. 60% is by no means vast, but it's a lot more indicative of what the general public feels.

Democracy is flawed in many ways, this is one of them and there exists other flaws that we already generally try to avoid (e.g. tyranny of the majority).

[ati87]

Daily Mail readers with their holiday homes are now panicking at the misinformation.

But people did bloody warn them for everything.............only every time they literally said ''oh it';s scaremongering and immigrants this and immigrants that''

Also if you look at the stuff that the Brexit side backtracked then what argument has left to even leave?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Frexit next?

We didn't see a Grexit (the something-exit Portmanteau crap is getting annoying), so we can probably also deduce that the "favorability" polls mean jack shit overall.

[Deleted]

Daily Mail readers with their holiday homes are now panicking at the misinformation.

Whooops... Sowwie

[Jessicka]

But people did bloody warn them for everything.............only every time they literally said ''oh it';s scaremongering and immigrants this and immigrants that''

Also if you look at the stuff that the Brexit side backtracked then what argument has left to even leave?

Fuck knows, this was kind of my point. And now they want 10 years to decide what it is they do want.

[Cosmic Janitor]

But people did bloody warn them for everything.............only every time they literally said ''oh it';s scaremongering and immigrants this and immigrants that''

Also if you look at the stuff that the Brexit side backtracked then what argument has left to even leave?

I've seen a bunch of online entertainers with British roots that usually laud themselves for their critical thinking and logic which delivered some rather pathetic and not in the least bit researched emotional arguments in this debate. So I'm hardly surprised. Ah well, in 5 years we will hear the song of "Germany forced the Brits out of the EU and wasn't content with that, but also went as far as smashing the United Kingdom!".

[Kalis]

France is part of the core of the EU, unlike Britain that was always one foot out of the organization. That survey should be looked as the need for EU reforms.

From what I can gather in France, Marine Le Pen (not to be confused with her hot niece, Marion Le Pen) is pushing for Frexit, but would not be able to get the backing for one.

We didn't see a Grexit (the something-exit Portmanteau crap is getting annoying), so we can probably also deduce that the "favorability" polls mean jack shit overall.

Grexit was on the cards for a while, had a referendum been allowed then Greece would almost certainly have left. The favourability polls are fine for what they are, they indicate how the people feel, not what the Government of those nations are going to do.

Look at Brexit, the majority in Westminster wanted to remain, the people felt differently.

[Deleted]

Frexit next?

That's bullshit though, recent study showed 26% of the french people wanted out, 51% wanted to stay, rest didn't answer.

[ati87]

We could just recognize what the EU's geographic boundaries are like now and call it the 4th Reich.

(This is not to say it's Nazi, but rather to accentuate Germany's increasing dominance with the looming departure of the UK.)

No we don't bloody call it the 4th Reich because Germany isn't dictating anything. This is how the whole argument started, just use this term or nazi often enough and people start comparing it eventually.

EU works with general consensus, this means that in the end everybody gets something. The whole argument about not having enough influence or not getting your way every time (the Brexit argument) is closer to a dictatorship then how the EU functions right now.,

[Independent voter]

We didn't see a Grexit (the something-exit Portmanteau crap is getting annoying), so we can probably also deduce that the "favorability" polls mean jack shit overall.

The grexit if memory serves was a pullout of the euro not the EU. Euro zone is it?

[Deleted]

A French exit would mean borders with Germany Italy Spain and introduction of new money in.
Collapse of the country's economy is guaranteed in this case.

[Noradin]

That's bullshit though, recent study showed 26% of the french people wanted out, 51% wanted to stay, rest didn't answer.

Yes, we would need to see the actual questions each nation was asked to determine what this graph is really showing.
Maybe they asked "do you think the current state of the EU is perfect" for "favourable", and "is there something you would like to change" for "unfavourable".

[Jessicka]

From what I can gather in France, Marine Le Pen (not to be confused with her hot niece, Marion Le Pen) is pushing for Frexit, but would not be able to get the backing for one.



Grexit was on the cards for a while, had a referendum been allowed then Greece would almost certainly have left. The favourability polls are fine for what they are, they indicate how the people feel, not what the Government of those nations are going to do.

Look at Brexit, the majority in Westminster wanted to remain, the people felt differently.

It's not really a reflection of how they'd end up voting either. The immediate economic shock we're just hitting would probably put most voters off actually going through with it now they're seeing it happening.

[Dezerte]

That's bullshit though, recent study showed 26% of the french people wanted out, 51% wanted to stay, rest didn't answer.

The way I see it, the linked survey was based on the favorability of the EU and not whether they wanted to leave the EU. You can have an unfavorable view of the EU but still believe in staying because you want it to work.

[Cosmic Janitor]

The grexit if memory serves was a pullout of the euro not the EU. Euro zone is it?

Can you be in the EZ without being in the EU? I'm fairly certain that being part of the EU is by definition a requirement to have the Euro. Though I'm not sure if they foresaw someone leaving the EU when the drafted the Maastrich criteria.

[Kalis]

Yes, we would need to see the actual questions each nation was asked to determine what this graph is really showing.
Maybe they asked "do you think the current state of the EU is perfect" for "favourable", and "is there something you would like to change" for "unfavourable".

The question asked is on the picture.

[Deleted]

The EU needs to be reverted to the 15 members of 1995, or 14 without the UK in it. Drop all the useless drains.

[Macaquerie]

Europe just needs to go back to the way it was before, with everyone living in their indigenous homelands and everybody respecting each other's borders....