Thrall and orc blood-lust.

[Volendrung]

I think all the sentient races in WoW are pretty similar. Peaceful if they want to be, or warmongering if they want to be. It's all about who's leading them.

[steelballfc]

I think all the sentient races in WoW are pretty similar. Peaceful if they want to be, or warmongering if they want to be. It's all about who's leading them.

the matter between H and A which solution to chose first when dealing with issue, Peaceful or Warmonger

[Grenzstein]

In Rise of the Horde is pretty evident that while Orcs are not naturally evil they are driven to evil acts while under the influence of the Burning Legion. Orcs are not evil, nor are they good, the same way that humans aren't inherently evil. The Orcs lived in peace with the Draenei for a long time. They only slaughtered them after the Burning Legion started influencing them. While they are indeed guilty of letting themselves being manipulated they are not inherently evil as some around here think.

[Jademist]

In Rise of the Horde is pretty evident that while Orcs are not naturally evil they are driven to evil acts while under the influence of the Burning Legion. Orcs are not evil, nor are they good, the same way that humans aren't inherently evil. The Orcs lived in peace with the Draenei for a long time. They only slaughtered them after the Burning Legion started influencing them. While they are indeed guilty of letting themselves being manipulated they are not inherently evil as some around here think.

And it is very well explained what drove Ner'zhul to even consider attacking the Draenei with Kil'Jaeden taking the guise of his wife and ancestors and stuff.

[Rizendragon]

Oh gawd, this is funny. Orcs are cave beasts, they always have been and always will be. The confusion you're feeling is Blizzards inability to follow a story and they just jump back and forth between "good and evil" because it creates longevity, and the lore readers love it to pieces because they think they are stumbling onto some secret reasoning to why the story changes like that.

Orcs are bad, always have been and they always will be. The orcs wanted to go to war in WC1, WC2, WC3 (they complained all the time about not having humans to fight), and in WoW. The Thrall philosophy for whatever it is only matters as long as he is in charge, as soon as someone else takes over they go right back to what they were doing before. I'm sure someone will be along to protest but even the WoD short stories showed them for exactly what they were, Durotan killed his own wolf, Kilrogg killed his own father, the Orcs of WoD followed Hellscream without question even without the demon taint, attacked the Draenei without demon taint, etc etc etc. They commited all the same acts without the taint as they did in the main timeline with it. They are bad by default, Thrall is the only reason for the difference. Them trying to make Orgrim a good guy is just laughable as he was the largest contributor to the Human genocide, leading the raids and horde in WC1 and WC2.

I agree with most of your points except for Durotan. The Frostwolf Orcs are the only clan that actively rejects the orcish bloodlust. Durotan was so perturbed by his action and felt such remorse for what he did to his wolf that he wears the wolf's skin as a badge of remembrance and shame. I think this is more of a societal difference between the clans tbh. The Frostwolves are the noble warriors that reject the bloodlust and are seen as "weak" by the other clans because of this.

[Dreknar20]

the matter between H and A which solution to chose first when dealing with issue, Peaceful or Warmonger

every other issue on Azeroth is dealt with force and threat

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How did the orcs come to play nice with the Tauren and Trolls, but can't play nice with the Alliance?

Its eaier to 'play nice' with n ally than an enemy???

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Orcs are bad, always have been and they always will be. The orcs wanted to go to war in WC1, WC2, WC3 (they complained all the time about not having humans to fight), and in WoW

Wanting to fight your enemies/people your at war with makes you bad eh?

Does that not make every person/race/living thing across the universe 'bad'?

[JTHMRulez1]

dont forget night elves caused war of the ancients.

Yeah and they solve their shit. Contrary to the orcs who needed the Alliance(And Gul'dan) to stop their blood-shed.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah and they solve their shit. Contrary to the orcs who needed the Alliance(And Gul'dan) to stop their blood-shed.

And nelves needed the ancients, cenarious and the dragons to help them. They were also much better equipped to fight back and more advanced than the orcs.A la that had the elite corrupted,Area that only the elitewere corrupted, Not the majority

[Zulkhan]

Yeah and they solve their shit. Contrary to the orcs who needed the Alliance(And Gul'dan) to stop their blood-shed.

Apples and oranges. Orcs were fighting for their misguided cause, Night Elves were literally defending themselves from a batshit insane queen who allied with the Legion and wanted to clean the world of anything that didn't look pretty as her.