BREXIT - leave or remain?

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Even IF this was true - how would that make him a Nazi? I mean, there is a pretty clear-cut definition of what makes someone a (Neo-)Nazi - unless you use it as a blanket insult for Germans.

His idea that lesser European countries need to work for the profit of Germany sounds very national socialist.

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You know this condescending and arrogant attitude isn't helping?

I don't intend to help or not help, peasants will be peasants and I won't light touch them just because someone like you thinks their fragile soul might be hurt if I don't pamper their ignorant asses. I'll respect people who are able to form a coherent thought that makes sense, people like him usually don't fall into that category.

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You're aware that's how democracy works? Majority trumps minority. If you find democracy unfair I am all ears for an alternative

But with thing like this majority usually means 2/3, not 48-52.

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I don't intend to help or not help, peasants will be peasants and I won't light touch them just because someone like you thinks their fragile soul might be hurt if I don't pamper their ignorant asses. I'll respect people who are able to form a coherent thought that makes sense, people like him usually don't fall into that category.

Yes, how dare me, a mere untermensch, expect any sort of leeway from the glorious EU overlords.

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But with thing like this majority usually means 2/3, not 48-52.

Majority is a Majority. That's how Democracy works.

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Not really, just read through the history of his posts. He's pretty much a Germanophile who is angry at Britain for not going under their rule anymore.

If anything, I'm angry because they let ignorance guide their decision. I've said this before, if they had actually just said "we want out because we don't like you" it'd have been a far more convincing and legit reason than all the actual bullshit they repeated ad nauseum. The UK is better than that. Or so I believed. I'm deeply disappointed in a country that I considered to be closest to us in mentality. You know, reasonably grounded, not too passionate like the French and southern countries sometimes, yet not as wildly crazy as the Americans...

Alas, polemics and emotions in the UK have proven me wrong. Guess even the British can be brought out of balance.

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I don't intend to help or not help, peasants will be peasants and I won't light touch them just because someone like you thinks their fragile soul might be hurt if I don't pamper their ignorant asses. I'll respect people who are able to form a coherent thought that makes sense, people like him usually don't fall into that category.

And thus the thread may aswell be closed because both sides are now deliberately behaving like children throwing insults around and refusing to debate. This is why the EU Referendum campaign was in shambles, both sides just trying to shout over each other like children and now it's happening here. Well enjoy your personal ego rants, both of you! Thankfully some people are keeping a cool head and actually trying to smooth over everything rather than throwing toys out of the pram and making potshots....

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If anything, I'm angry because they let ignorance guide their decision. I've said this before, if they had actually just said "we want out because we don't like you" it'd have been a far more convincing and legit reason than all the actual bullshit they repeated ad nauseum. The UK is better than that. Or so I believed. I'm deeply disappointed in a country that I considered to be closest to us in mentality. You know, reasonably grounded, not too passionate like the French and southern countries sometimes, yet not as wildly crazy as the Americans...

Alas, polemics and emotions in the UK have proven me wrong. Guess even the British can be brought out of balance.

Britain has always, ALWAYS had the stance that the EU is a trading bloc agreement. The EU has always been an anti-British establishment, jean-claude juncker as the perfect figurehead of this.

With the EU constantly trying to expand it's powers, it was either now or never we got out before we would never be allowed out.

A united EU army that so lovely gets talked about?

It all points to a European Superstate. Something wholly Anti-British.

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But with thing like this majority usually means 2/3, not 48-52.

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52 over 48 is a majority, it's a close majority but still a majority

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I'm not here to help anything.

The Pro-EU side have already made their choices, us Brexit people are the evil racists who want to watch the world fall into ruin because we're shortsighted and xenophobic who wish for the glorious Imperial days to return of course.

I love that you say that with the sarcasm dripping.

There is thus plenty in this EEA/British Option that both Remain and Leave sides can agree upon, remembering of course that it is just one step in a bright new journey to become a Global nation once more.

The rest of the article has the same sort of deluded mindset all over it.

Nevermind the fact that alot of us who chose brexit did so because the EU has been a slowly crawling mass of bureaucracy that has been wanting to tighten itself more and more around the organs of countries and many of us are just sick of it.

The EU employs about 50 000 bureaucrats, its less, but then this works out fine: That equates to one bureaucrat for every 50 000 EU citizens.

I am not anti-Europe, I am anti-EU, a trade agreement that considers itself a legal body of a superstate.

The EU is not a trade agreement.
The EU is trying to create one market, Which is not the same thing as a 'free trade treaty' - The goal is for a UK company to be able to sell to a Italian company under the same rules and regulations. Like how an English company can sell to a Scottish company under the same rules and regulations - Oh and just to be clear, this requires one rulebook, one court, one regulatory agency, You know, all the shit you don't like in the EU - Its what makes the stuff that you like work.
OR to quote BoJo:

“The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation”

You know the thing that is the common market.
Free trade treaties remove tariffs - that's about it.

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You clearly don’t follow UK politics. Before you post, please inform yourself of the facts. Cameron said he would remain PM *no matter the outcome of the referendum*. He said he would impliment the will of the people. Of course Cameron should have had a plan to cover either Remain or Leave outcomes. He’s the PM, he called the referendum, he said he would stay and see things through. What did he actually do? Run away.

Osborne and Cameron should have planned better for the possibility of Leave winning. After all, they are two of the most senior members of the UK government, and it is their duty to guarantee the security and economic stability of the UK. My view is that it is vital policy makers act to offset (as best as they can) the impact of negative shocks to an economy. Osborne and Cameron had a duty to offset any negative shock the economy would experience as the result of a Leave vote. Instead, they deliberately inflated the negative shock of a Leave vote win. The pair tried to scare the pants off the electorate, with threats of things like the punishment budget. That was simply game-playing, and worked to undermine market confidence, further increase uncertainty, amplify volatility and the negative impact of Leave winning. They behaved in a disgraceful way.

He's a politician. I mean, I've read all of what you've said in here before. I knew the facts. But he is a politician. Would it have been nice if he had followed through with his promises? Yes! Does it surprise me that he ignored yesterday's talk and just quit? Not in the slightest!

This... perplexity of the British people here at their own politicians is what astounds me. Somehow you think they're more honest, more reliable, more honourable than politicians elsewhere?

They're humans. Just like you and me. And as a human, I can tell you if you're strongly against something, it's one heck of a task to motivate yourself to actually plan what you consider doom and organise the "wrong" decision. You can do it, sure. It would've been nice if he did. But who actually expected him to actually do this? Their duty is probably not just to see to the economic stability, but to do what they think is the best for the economic stability. If Cameron thinks the best move for the UK is to have someone at the helm who actually supported this, I think that's his call to make. If only to expose the Leave campaign for the fraud that it is.

And how exactly do you plan to offset the negative shock that the UK suffers from? I mean, heck.. that's part of the thing your 52% voted for. They might not have been aware of it, but this economic shock (and what's to come)? That's part of the actual fucking design. Bitching about it later won't change the fact that countless armies of experts have predicted this.

Btw, those same experts? They're also advising the businesses that are largely responsible for such economic shocks. What do you think will happen if an experts tells a company "Dude, pull out now before it's too late"? Yep, that's right. They'll listen to it with a lot more attention than the public voting base seemed to have listened to them.

That is what makes this "experts are all liars" so amusing. They may be liars, but they're part of a self fulfilling prophecy, in a sense. Imagine a world where everyone had said "This is the right move for Britain". Imagine how companies could react to it if everyone told them that investing in Britain to strengthen their position vs. the EU in the upcoming negotiations would be the right move. Picture could be quite different then, couldn't it. Not 180° different, but somewhat less doom and gloom for sure.

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The EU is not a trade agreement.
The EU is trying to create one market, Which is not the same thing as a 'free trade treaty' - The goal is for a UK company to be able to sell to a Italian company under the same rules and regulations. Like how an English company can sell to a Scottish company under the same rules and regulations.
Free trade treaties remove tariffs - that's about it.

No, the EU is trying to be a super-state. Please tell me why a One market needs an army or constitution?

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His idea that lesser European countries need to work for the profit of Germany sounds very national socialist.

The only thing I've said is that countries like Greece need to tighten the belt and start working more. Aside from that, I kindly ask you to quote where I said they should work for the profit of Germany.

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That is what makes this "experts are all liars" so amusing. They may be liars, but they're part of a self fulfilling prophecy, in a sense. Imagine a world where everyone had said "This is the right move for Britain". Imagine how companies could react to it if everyone told them that investing in Britain to strengthen their position vs. the EU in the upcoming negotiations. Picture could be quite different then, couldn't it. Not 180° different, but somewhat less doom and gloom for sure.

Exactly my point, the Doom and Gloom is entirely artificial, mostly caused by Globalist windbags and Pro-EU snakes.

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Yes, how dare me, a mere untermensch, expect any sort of leeway from the glorious EU overlords.

This is getting ridiculous, you, my friend, have booked a place on my ignore list. Happy insulting.

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The only thing I've said is that countries like Greece need to tighten the belt and start working more.

Or, you know, you could pay them your WW2 reparations...

[Puupi]

This video is rather relevant to this thread:

[Mehrunes]

I am not anti-Europe, I am anti-EU, a trade agreement that considers itself a legal body of a superstate.

You can repeat that till the heat death of the universe, but that won't magically make this sentiment true. EU isn't merely a trade agreement for decades (EU proper has never been just that), and was moving away from merely a trade agreement from day 2. Moved quite far by the time UK joined. And UK pushed it hard once it joined.

Ah yes, I forgot the UK is entirely at the whims of the glorious German overlords when it comes to our own individual economy.

It's rather unbecoming for someone from England to suck at comprehending English this much. Goblin said nothing about whims. The reality of things is that the alternatives to EU are worse, there's no going around this. EEA changes almost nothing other than you losing your unfair privileges within EU and takes your voice away. Leaving EEA altogether would be setting almost half of your trade on fire. And staying in the EU will mean no more special deals, no more pandering. And your "individual" economy is intertwined with the EU's.

Even IF this was true - how would that make him a Nazi? I mean, there is a pretty clear-cut definition of what makes someone a (Neo-)Nazi - unless you use it as a blanket insult for Germans.

Well, you did say you're literally Hitler for things that didn't meet the clear-cut definition recently :3

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The only thing I've said is that countries like Greece need to tighten the belt and start working more. Aside from that, I kindly ask you to quote where I said they should work for the profit of Germany.

I honestly don't give a shit if a relative of yours died in WW2. Get over it, it's been 70 years. You don't get to blame me for it, so fuck off and take your wounded pride to the next sad sack that needs someone to listen to. So fuck you, and fuck your despising me for something not even my parents are responsible for. How's that for you pumpkin?

Time to get over your anti-Germanic sentiments and look at what's actually going on. Because right now, Germany is really trying to help everyone, but people like you are making it really, really difficult to help anyone. And they make it really, really easy to just say fuck it to everything and do our own thing. Do you want to know how Europe looks like when we seriously start throwing our economic power around to make an actual profit? Do you think Greece would even be in our considerations if we wanted to get down to business in a reckless manner?

We're fucking doing all we can to help people and save lives. We're saving refugees, get blamed for that. We're feeding an entire country, get blamed for that, too. Britain freaks out and throws a hissy fit with the Brexit, we get blamed, too. Enough is enough, so now that I know where you're coming from, expect me to actually stop being nice to you. I've respected your right to have an opinion so far, as difficult as you made it.. you should bloody well appreciate that.

Germany is all the good in the EU, everyone else is bad etc etc.

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Well, you did say you're literally Hitler for things that didn't meet the clear-cut definition recently :3

I said it in a very sarcastic - and obviously not serious - way though.

Also, I am Austrian. We all know that Germans are the bad guys. ;3

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The UKs "special snowflake" status within the EU is at odds with this idea.

The EU is Pro-German. it will naturally be Anti-British.

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It's rather unbecoming for someone from England to suck at comprehending English this much. Goblin said nothing about whims. The reality of things is that the alternatives to EU are worse, there's no going around this. EEA changes almost nothing other than you losing your unfair privileges within EU and takes your voice away. Leaving EEA altogether would be setting almost half of your trade on fire. And staying in the EU will mean no more special deals, no more pandering. And your "individual" economy is intertwined with the EU's.

The UK's economy tanks, so does the entire EU. but it's funny how Pro-EU nazi's always ignore these points and LOVE downplaying the UKs economical importance.