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    Debate on second EU referendum after millions sign petition

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36777494

    An online petition that calls for a second EU referendum will be debated in Parliament after it was signed by more than 4.1 million people.

    The Petitions Committee said the debate would be on 5 September as a "huge number" had signed it.

    But the committee said the debate did not mean it was supporting the call for a second referendum and it was "too late" to change the referendum rules.

    The UK voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48% in the referendum on 23 June.

    The petition, set up on 25 May before the referendum, states: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60%, based on a turnout of less than 75%, there should be another referendum."

    Are e-petitions a waste of time?

    Those who signed it have already received an email that said the prime minister and government had "been clear that this was a once-in-a-generation vote" and the decision "must be respected".

    'Range of views'

    The referendum saw 17.4 million (51.9%) votes cast to leave the EU, compared with 16.1 million (48.1%) for Remain, with a turnout of 72.2%, according to the Electoral Commission.

    In a statement, the House of Commons Petitions Committee said a debate on the petition would allow MPs to "put forward a range of views on behalf of their constituents" and a government minister would respond to the points raised.

    But it said: "A debate in Westminster Hall does not have the power to change the law, and won't end with the House of Commons deciding whether or not to have a second referendum...

    "It will be up to the government to decide whether it wants to start the process of agreeing a new law for a second referendum."

    The online petition, set up by William Oliver Healey, gained more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website in the wake of the EU referendum result.

    Before the result was declared just 22 people had signed it.

    The petition was investigated for fraud last month and 77,000 signatures that were found to be false were removed.

    It was considered for a parliamentary debate by the Petitions Committee because it had received more than 100,000 signatures.
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    They're obligated to discuss it, I have no views much like May has no mandate

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    "Shall we have a second referendum?"

    "No."

    "Okay, that is settled. Now onto more pressing matters...anybody for the pub?"

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    In other words - to be sure nobody can leave.

    60% majority vote would be reasonable, imo. 75% voter turnout is extremely unlikely.

    To have to meet both conditions is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    "Shall we have a second referendum?"

    "No."

    "Okay, that is settled. Now onto more pressing matters...anybody for the pub?"
    I won't lie I thought the same, what's to discuss

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    When democracy doesn't suit the ruling elite too bad for democracy.

    They made Ireland vote twice until they made the "right choice".
    When the Euro Constitution was rejected by France they passed it by the backdoor as the Lisbon Treaty.

    What's the usual participation on national elections in the UK?
    Hey if the government isn't elected by 60% majority with 75% or more participation repeat the elections until you have a government that truly represents the people.

    Or do you want "democracy" a la carte?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    Really?

    We have an unelected PM. Sound like democracy to you?
    All of our Prime Ministers have been unelected unless you are a card carrying member of the party in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Coins View Post
    Huge changes like these should not happen with anything less than 66% of a majority vote.

    Because with a 52% majority you'll just have too big of a chance that in a few years (when the older generation died off a bit more) that public opinion will strongly sway the opposite way again.


    What is the UK going to do when the public opinion strongly feels in the year 2020 that it should be part of the EU again? (And chances are pretty high it will)
    I doubt opinion will change that much in 4 years unless something terrible happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    A pedantic truth but a truth none the less.
    Some of our PMs have not even been MPs, so at least they can sit in the Commons nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Coins View Post
    51% pro-EU seems unlikely to you in 2020 ?
    Yeah unless something terrible happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Dreamer View Post
    They should not do a second referendum.... but this guy is a fucking joke: genreation snowflaks/ get of your playstation/ educated idiots/ saved democracy.... seriously this guys is just spouting buzzworld and crap...

    EU is not doing the superstats he's talking about.

    EU is as democratic or even more than most commonwealth country like canada or UK.

    He is just craping on pro stay with false genralisation... good job on showing how better you are than people who are saying that it's only old poor racist people who voted leave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Coins View Post
    4 years is a long time though

    In that time people tend to go from voting a right wing government into office to a left wing one again.
    It's not that long....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    Are there any examples of this post Representation of the People act?

    Alex Douglas-Home fits the bill, sort of, but he wasn't around for too long.
    It would make it virtually impossible to do the job, as they would not be able to enter the Commons. Skype PMQs maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalador View Post
    They should not do a second referendum.... but this guy is a fucking joke: genreation snowflaks/ get of your playstation/ educated idiots/ saved democracy.... seriously this guys is just spouting buzzworld and crap...

    EU is not doing the superstats he's talking about.

    EU is as democratic or even more than most commonwealth country like canada or UK.

    He is just craping on pro stay with false genralisation... good job on showing how better you are than people who are saying that it's only old poor racist people who voted leave...
    I found it amazing how he is "angry" at the start of young people calling out at the old and then he shows his real face at the end with barrage of insults.... fucking brilliant...

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    If they do a second one what will stop them from doin a third or a fourth? The vote was cast and it landed in favour of leaving the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    If they do a second one what will stop them from doin a third or a fourth? The vote was cast and it landed in favour of leaving the EU.
    If I understood right, when the votes are so close about such topic ( referendums ) then you ( people ) have the right to call for 2nd if they get enough votes for it. They did so I guess parliament has/can make a new referendum. Perhaps i'm wrong....

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    Quote Originally Posted by markos82 View Post
    I found it amazing how he is "angry" at the start of young people calling out at the old and then he shows his real face at the end with barrage of insults.... fucking brilliant...
    yeah those guy are the worst... trying to show they are above it by doing exactly what they say they despise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Dreamer View Post
    This guy was born in Ireland and has an Irish passport. He has no reason to care about the UK other than money,
    Last edited by mmoc9445a9ffa9; 2016-07-12 at 09:09 PM.

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