Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton for President

[Lenonis]

Do you really believe that he will get anything from Hillary? You probably think Hillary is a democrat too lol

People like you seem to not understand that the SCOTUS is in play. A GOP controlled SCOTUS will set Bernie's agenda back at least 40 years.

This myth that supporting Hillary is somehow sacrificing the progressive agenda is absurd when you look at what is at stake.

[Theodarzna]

It's worth adding that as polarization seems to make bipartisan cooperation in congress less and less likely, that spot will only become more important.

We had an infinitely accommodating president, In fact both Democratic presidents of recent memory have been the triangulating grand bargain sort, how much do they have to show for it? NAFTA, the Crime Bill, Mitt Romney's health care plan, annnnddddddd.........?

[Wells]

You probably think Hillary is a democrat too lol

Wait what the fuck are you talking about.

[Mavick]

Seriously. I don't get why anyone's going crazy over this. He said he's not going third party, and that he'd support the winner of the Democratic primary. The fact that he's doing what he said he'd do is apparently too much to handle.

Also, gasp, the losing democratic candidate just endorsed the winning democratic candidate! What an unprecedented development! /s

Which is even more hilarious when you add the fact that many people supported him for being a person who stands by what he says. I'm totally not surprised by this, and although I'm still not a huge Hillary fan I'm at least happy that she's adopting some of his platform. I'll take what I can get in the end.

[Zolaris192]

People like you seem to not understand that the SCOTUS is in play. A GOP controlled SCOTUS will set Bernie's agenda back at least 40 years.

This myth that supporting Hillary is somehow sacrificing the progressive agenda is absurd when you look at what is at stake

Progressive agenda? You mean the totalitarian "anything that contradicts what I say is racist hate speech" agenda?

Bernie's plan

1% pay for your useless degree
Middle class pays for your useless degree
Scrape up whatever is left to pay for your useless degree
What's that? We ran out of other people's money? Oops

Hillary's message is whatever it needs to be at that exact moment to pander to whoever is watching

If you look at trump, he has been saying the same things since the 80s, and before you preach to me from your ivory tower how "bad" his message is, provide to me an argument that dismisses his entire message cause I have yet to find a leftist that could
Now we look like venezuela

[Theodarzna]

Progressive agenda? You mean the totalitarian "anything that contradicts what I say is racist hate speech" agenda?

Bernie's plan

1% pay for your useless degree
Middle class pays for your useless degree
Scrape up whatever is left to pay for your useless degree
What's that? We ran out of other people's money? Oops

Now we look like venezuela

So are you saying Hillary is the more conservative choice compared to Bernie?

[Wulfey]

People like you seem to not understand that the SCOTUS is in play. A GOP controlled SCOTUS will set Bernie's agenda back at least 40 years.

This myth that supporting Hillary is somehow sacrificing the progressive agenda is absurd when you look at what is at stake.

I think you don't understand how government works. See, when Hillary cucked the Bernie supporters by rigging the system with wall street money and spending less than bernie did in the primary thanks to wall street, she actually set the progressive agenda back for years. Bernie was going to have a Political Revolution that would have shamed the RINOs in congress into voting for a 5% GDP increase in taxes on my parents and a 10% GDP increase in spending on me by calling them cucks until they conceded that they were falsely impregnating American dreams of equal access to middle class life style independent of employment with Wall Street corrupt money. Moreover, Bernie actually won the election because downmarket white males count for more than the rest of electorate for voting purposes and we should value them, especially ones that failed to vote or even register to vote, we call these men independents. The real truth is that Bernie wins these independents and that the DemonCrap party has thrown away the election and Trump will win because HRC insisted on being coronated with the votes of the non-voters in the primary. Even further, once heir Trump is in office, the American people will see how important democratic socialism is when we have the wall and TPP and Nafta and China are banned. The suffering of the proletariat that comes after I vote for Jill Stein will teach them how important it is to listen to independents like me.

[Theodarzna]

What of it? I'm simply saying SCOTUS is becoming the more influential policy shaping body as congress becomes incapable of more than barely keeping the place running.

Do we even have assurances who Hillary will nominate to the Supreme Court? How do we not know that isn't up for a "grand bargain."

[Zolaris192]

So are you saying Hillary is the more conservative choice compared to Bernie?

I'm saying they are both a joke

Trump is the only choice, we need to move to protect our nationalism, our country that was built on REAL liberalism like Thomas Jefferson, not these authoritarians pretending to be liberal

If Hillary is so progressive why does she accept millions of dollars from gulf state dictators, who's countries stone women to death for being raped, don't allow them to drive or leave the house, and burn them alive if widowed?

Why does she want to bring in more refugees from an area of the world that executes gays?

But all these Bernie kids and Hillary supporters wanna lecture me on how trump is so bad because he wants to protect our freedoms lol

[Wulfey]

Do we even have assurances who Hillary will nominate to the Supreme Court? How do we not know that isn't up for a "grand bargain."

OMFG seriously? HRC is a lifelong liberal democrat and lawyer! She is going to appoint people approved by the ABA and the American Constitution Society (ACS is the liberal federalist society). HRC will 100% appoint people just like KAGAN and SOTOMOYER. Where do you even get this conspiratorial nonsense suggesting that she is secretly a Republican Justice Appointer? Do you have even a lick of evidence to contradict her lifetime of liberal politics?

[Bollocks]

We had an infinitely accommodating president, In fact both Democratic presidents of recent memory have been the triangulating grand bargain sort, how much do they have to show for it? NAFTA, the Crime Bill, Mitt Romney's health care plan, annnnddddddd.........?

Well NAFTA was a good policy so I think we are good there.

[Theodarzna]

I don't think that's a realistic concern at all.

Isn't it? In this thread she is being touted as a realistic choice who can make the compromises and such, well, what is she going to compromise on? We can be pretty certain she will go balls deep for TPP, so I guess the SCOTUS, Min. Wage, and the College plan she pulled from bernies platform.

Which is it? Is she this Liberal Lion or the compromising Moderate to set up grand bargains and work across the aisle?

[Wulfey]

The Alt-Left is driving me crazy. I can't handle this crap anymore. Alt-left posters get away simply assuming that every Democrat is a secret Republican who is actually working for Corrupt Wall Street and Republicanism. Can you guys mark your beliefs to market for one second please? Check out FOX. Check out Limbaugh. Check out Hannity. See what they have to say about Obama and Hillary and Reid and Pelosi. Nobody on the right doubts the Liberalism of our Democratic elected representatives. That should cause you to rethink your assumptions about their supposed ill-liberalism.

What I suspect is going on here is a basic confusion about what elected Democrats can do within the very restrictive system of checks and balance in place under the USA Constitution. For a new law to pass and be implemented, every branch of government gets a crack at it, along with the states. It isn't enough to just be reallllly-progressive. That Obama/Reid/Pelosi didn't turn us into Sweden in a few months only shows just how slow our government was designed to work. Also, that it works with checks and balances is a good thing. We shouldn't want rapid change. A 50% vote will never upend the individual rights of American voters and that is a good thing.

[Ghostpanther]

Well NAFTA was a good policy so I think we are good there.

That depends on who you ask. Those who have lost their jobs here in the US because of it, not so much. :P

[Mavick]

I'm saying they are both a joke

Trump is the only choice, we need to move to protect our nationalism, our country that was built on REAL liberalism like Thomas Jefferson, not these authoritarians pretending to be liberal

If Hillary is so progressive why does she accept millions of dollars from gulf state dictators, who's countries stone women to death for being raped, don't allow them to drive or leave the house, and burn them alive if widowed?

Why does she want to bring in more refugees from an area of the world that executes gays?

But all these Bernie kids and Hillary supporters wanna lecture me on how trump is so bad because he wants to protect our freedoms lol

It's really cute that you actually think Trump gives a flying fuck about you or anyone else that's not him.

[InventiveMeasures]

Desperately clinging on? Why would I do that? He already got beat out by the biggest corporate demonic big business corrupt candidate in the history of the United States lol

AND THEN he shows his communist fledgling supporters how "authentic" and "upstanding" he is by endorsing her! I was laughing so hard when I heard about this lol

Oh and btw it's not a rumor, it's true lol

"After finishing college in 1964 with a degree in political science, Sanders lived on a kibbutz in Israel before settling in Vermont. He worked a number of jobs, including filmmaker and freelance writer, psychiatric aide, and teaching low-income children through Head Start, while his interest in politics grew."

Facts sorted. Nice try though.

[Ghostpanther]

Isn't it? In this thread she is being touted as a realistic choice who can make the compromises and such, well, what is she going to compromise on? We can be pretty certain she will go balls deep for TPP, so I guess the SCOTUS, Min. Wage, and the College plan she pulled from bernies platform.

Which is it? Is she this Liberal Lion or the compromising Moderate to set up grand bargains and work across the aisle?

My guess would be Obama 2.0. But only if it is convenient.

[Bollocks]

That depends on who you ask. Those who have lost their jobs here in the US because of it, not so much. :P

In terms of overall gains, the economy benefited of it. Outsourcing of jobs would have happened regardless of NAFTA , and NAFTA ended up creating more jobs in other sectors of the economy, at the same time reducing prices of products for the poorest, thus giving them more purchasing power.

You can read more of it here: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.15.1.125

[Ghostpanther]

In terms of overall gains, the economy benefited of it. Outsourcing of jobs would have happened regardless of NAFTA , and NAFTA ended up creating more jobs in other sectors of the economy, at the same time reducing prices of products for the poorest, thus giving them more purchasing power.

You can read more of it here: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.15.1.125

It sucked for the US. And if Trump gets elected ( not likely ) look for it to slowly die.

[Bollocks]

It sucked for the US. And if Trump gets elected ( not likely ) look for it to slowly die.

It did not sucked for the US. Give the study a read or research more on the topic on your own.

Here this one http://www.nber.org/papers/w4478 gives a more balanced perspective on free trade. Give it a read.