Harvard study demonstrates that BlackLivesMatter Lacks a Factual Basis for Outrage

[Elegiac]

They aren't lying. It's not all about blacks, in which this case...the BLM people think that america is all about them.

Because saying 'this apple is red' automatically means all apples are red, right?

Believing 'Black Lives Matter' to be exclusionary is nothing more than white people projecting out of fear of their loss of privilege.

[The Stormbringer]

Please do elaborate what they're supposed to do about this.

And for your next trick, please explain why it's remotely rational to expect the same level of social responsibility from violent criminals versus police.

Encourage them to stop attacking police and each other?

I don't necessarily see why this thread should be shut down if the study is legit and really from Harvard. It sounds like something that should be discussed.

[Elegiac]

any that tear up communities and buildings? Impede interstate traffic? Cause mayhem and destruction? In this respect the blm does more harm than good.

You don't see the difference between protesting threats to the social order and protesting the social order itself?

[Kapadons]

Several points.

First, police are intended to be the guardians of the social order and upholders of 'good'. People being outraged because they are abusing their authority is entirely understandable - and saying 'well, criminals gonna crime why aren't you outraged about that' is just a dodge of the actual point.

Second, using 'number of deaths' as a metric of social importance is incredibly shortsighted since there are a whole host of other consequences besides the number of people being killed. Particularly since, you know, they're dead, but the socioeconomic consequences of a rift between citizenry and law enforcement are suffered by the living.

Ultimately 'but gang violence' just translates to an extremely shallow method of looking at society, because you're failing to ask the most basic question that leads to solutions - why. Much easier on your part to dismiss it as some 'moral failing'.

So in summary; you're being intellectually lazy.

We need to find an intelligent way to discuss WHY people or even black people are being killed by police. Shoutin "because they are racist" over and over doesn't really do anything.

[zEmini]

Several points.

First, police are intended to be the guardians of the social order and upholders of 'good'. People being outraged because they are abusing their authority is entirely understandable - and saying 'well, criminals gonna crime why aren't you outraged about that' is just a dodge of the actual point.

Second, using 'number of deaths' as a metric of social importance is incredibly shortsighted since there are a whole host of other consequences besides the number of people being killed. Particularly since, you know, they're dead, but the socioeconomic consequences of a rift between citizenry and law enforcement are suffered by the living.

Ultimately 'but gang violence' just translates to an extremely shallow method of looking at society, because you're failing to ask the most basic question that leads to solutions - why. Much easier on your part to dismiss it as some 'moral failing'.

So in summary; you're being intellectually lazy.

You can't focus on just one part of the problem with out looking at all the contributing factors. Being poor & black = Gang Violence = nervous police.

[MasterOfNone]

The chief difference being I'm not seeking to use the force of law, or worse violence to suppress people who choose to hold such malformed viewpoints.

So it's not ok for southerners to think of you a certain way but it's ok for you to think of them poorly and slander etc, as long as law enforcement doesn't get involved eh? interesting this one is.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Believing 'Black Lives Matter' to be exclusionary is nothing more than white people projecting out of fear of their loss of privilege.

If BLM was inclusionary, they wouldn't be against ALM. And btw, what privilege?

[Nynax]

There are protests and rallies alllllll the fucking time concerning black on black violence across the whole country, focused on drugs and gangs... just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist, perhaps stop being ignorant and educate yourself concerning whether there are any protest concerning black on black crime, before commenting and saying shit like this.

That's kinda exactly the point, that you really have to go looking for news or info about those protests. Meanwhile the BLM ones directed at police can apparently draw in thousands for days. And the irony of the whole situation is that police being nicer is barely going to make a dent in general social/economic standing of blacks; death rates might even get worse as criminals, which we know are concentrated in the areas police are being complained about, very well might take advantage.

So the question is: Is it worth the social experiment in these communities for Police to be less proactive at the risk of almost uncontrolled crime?

[Elegiac]

We need to find an intelligent way to discuss WHY people or even black people are being killed by police. Shoutin "because they are racist" over and over doesn't really do anything.

Neither does dismissing it as 'black culture'.

Which puts the lot of you roughly on the same level, really.

[MasterOfNone]

You don't see the difference between protesting threats to the social order and protesting the social order itself?

Your first amendment right is hinged on "peaceful assembly". A known fact by people not blinded by "feels". Once the peaceful goes away, so does your right to be there. Impeding traffic on an interstate is unsafe and not peaceful. Looting,destruction, and mayhem are not peaceful. What are you getting at?

[Elegiac]

If BLM was inclusionary, they wouldn't be against ALM.

Gee, I wonder why people would be against a slogan designed to dismiss the issue.

And btw, what privilege?

The one that entitles you to make such ignorant comments without being against the social grain.

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Your first amendment right is hinged on "peaceful assembly". A known fact by people not blinded by "feels". Once the peaceful goes away, so does your right to be there. Impeding traffic on an interstate is unsafe and not peaceful. Looting,destruction, and mayhem are not peaceful. What are you getting at?

That, again, you lot seem to be mentally incapable of looking at this thing beyond the media level.

There is a world of difference between protesting a threat to the proper functioning of the social order, and protesting the social order because it is chronically aligned against your demographic interests. In the latter case, people have no reason to be law abiding because the law is simply the instrument of their oppression.

[Stormspellz]

People run on emotion, also cherry picking stats doesn't help the case, let alone looking them in a void. Emotion has a lot to do with it, just like a lot of Trump supporters continue to follow him as he lies, flip flops and continues to be erratic: and yet it "feels" right to them.

[OreoLover]

"Much more troubling, due to their frequency and potential impact on minority belief formation,
is the possibility that racial differences in police use of non-lethal force have spillovers on myriad
dimensions of racial inequality. If, for instance, blacks use their lived experience with police as
evidence that the world is discriminatory, then it is easy to understand why black youth invest
less in human capital or black adults are more likely to believe discrimination is an important
determinant of economic outcomes. Black Dignity Matters." - (Closing of the study, page 36: https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf)

The study's own conclusion defeats this thread. They lack a shooting basis based on those data parameters, and earned a huge basis in non-lethal encounters.

[MasterOfNone]

Neither does dismissing it as 'black culture'.

Which puts the lot of you roughly on the same level, really.

Shootings by police resulting in deaths of blacks are lower by percentage. Fact. What else you got?

[Wildtree]

Look a AAA meeting.

[Elegiac]

You can't focus on just one part of the problem with out looking at all the contributing factors.

Which is precisely what you are doing. That is my point.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Look a AAA meeting.

I haven't seen anyone yet saying that we are all powerless and only god can help us .

[MasterOfNone]

Gee, I wonder why people would be against a slogan designed to dismiss the issue.



The one that entitles you to make such ignorant comments without being against the social grain.

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That, again, you lot seem to be mentally incapable of looking at this thing beyond the media level.

There is a world of difference between protesting a threat to the proper functioning of the social order, and protesting the social order because it is chronically aligned against your demographic interests. In the latter case, people have no reason to be law abiding because the law is simply the instrument of their oppression.

Good god man. Could you be anymore unrealistic? "Instrument of their oppression"? Lol. Damn. Delusion is strong. You want to talk about being able to see past the media etc, read what you just wrote. You think police are the reason blacks are oppressed? My god sir you are absolutely out of touch with reality

[KrazyK923]

Or perhaps the rest of the world are sick of people bleating about them?

Or maybe the rest of us are sick of people pretending they are some noble cause championing equality when they're just a bunch of racists abusing a conversation we need to have about Police Abuse to push an anti-white message.

[Elegiac]

Shootings by police resulting in deaths of blacks are lower by percentage. Fact. What else you got?

That the use of lethal force in such situations is reprehensible regardless of what 'percentages' are involved?

I wasn't aware this was up for discussions if, as you say "All Lives Matter".