Patricia Smith ,mother of Benghazi victim -Republican National Convention

[Lenonis]

Outside of Benghazi there is plenty of evidence of how much of a Liar and incompetent she is.

The problem, of course, is that you then take that conclusion and have to look at Trump as the foil to Clinton.

And it's very hard to portray Trump as a bastion of competency and truth.

Which brings many people to the unfortunately conclusion of "so what".

The GOP had a real opportunity to pick a candidate that would serve as a good foil against Clinton's perceived character flaws and instead went with Trump. I don't know what the GOP's problem has been in the last 3 election cycles but they can't pick candidates worth anything...

[zenkai]

You are not helping your case by saying the above. You are litteraly telling people to go find articles that agree with you, even though you are not stating what that actual agreement is on. If I google and get hits for Hillary being a Martian, am I to assume that's what you mean by her lying?

Edit: I'll serve as an example. How did Hillary lie? How about checking her cattle future earnings in the 70s. She turned a 1000 investment, in to 100000 within less than a year. That is remarkable without knowing trade secrets, which is the very thing that got Martha Stewart in jail...

Are you saying Clinton has never done anything wrong or has any dirt on her?

[Felya]

The GOP had a real opportunity to pick a candidate that would serve as a good foil against Clinton's perceived character flaws and instead went with Trump. I don't know what the GOP's problem has been in the last 3 election cycles but they can't pick candidates worth anything...

Which would have been anyone, but Trump. Rubio, Cruz, Bush and Kasich, all would have whipped Hillary on integrity alone. You can toss a rock out the window and odds are you will hit someone that would have beaten Hillary on integrity. The problem? Trump is one of the few people on this planet that cannot do that. This is the very reason GOP has turned their back on Trump, his incompetence is not an R v D issue...

[Reeve]

Good question. The Marines in Italy basically had to stand around doing nothing even though they were ready to go.

Fact is the ball was dropped. You had Marine FAST Teams ready to rock, who wanted to get in there and do work, but weren't allowed for whatever reason.

It's annoying and pathetic. Our people deserved better and got nothing.

It's possible I'm misremembering and I don't have time to look it up, but I seem to recall it being found that those FAST teams could not have left in time to prevent the deaths of the 4 people at Benghazi.

[zenkai]

Democrats were just fine talking about it. Before the multiple Republican led investigations that turned up nothing over and over, that is. McCarthy said that Clinton was considered unbeatable until they launched investigations. Another Republican representative said that a large part of the investigation was designed to go after Clinton.

The fact that they continue to accidentally admit that it's a witch hunt also helps to explain why we give virtually no fucks about this now.

Funny thing is, they keep bringing up this witch hunt, and I all I am talking about is what actually happened. Like I give a shit that partisan politicians try to throw each other under the bus.

[Felya]

Are you saying Clinton has never done anything wrong or has any dirt on her?

Only if you cannot read what you are quoting... I fucking gave you an example of how to post Hillary scandals, without getting the reply you complain about.

[zenkai]

The problem, of course, is that you then take that conclusion and have to look at Trump as the foil to Clinton.

And it's very hard to portray Trump as a bastion of competency and truth.

Which brings many people to the unfortunately conclusion of "so what".

The GOP had a real opportunity to pick a candidate that would serve as a good foil against Clinton's perceived character flaws and instead went with Trump. I don't know what the GOP's problem has been in the last 3 election cycles but they can't pick candidates worth anything...

Trump was highly contested, I think only half the republicans wanted Trump, just like only half the democrats wanted Clinton

[TwoNineMarine]

It's possible I'm misremembering and I don't have time to look it up, but I seem to recall it being found that those FAST teams could not have left in time to prevent the deaths of the 4 people at Benghazi.

The timeline as I understand it means they could have. They got word relatively immediately and if they would have left right away, as they are trained to do, they could have arrived by the time things really kicked off.

That's how I understand it though. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Lenonis]

Trump was highly contested, I think only half the republicans wanted Trump, just like only half the democrats wanted Clinton

Well...that is in general how primaries go.

[Barnabas]

Yeah, her mails

The mudslinging is getting really pathetic.
You're not going to win swing-voters with this nonsense, you need something that sticks.
This only convinces people that are brainwashed already.

Her email scandal just adds to how she makes bad decisions in a position of power.

[GennGreymane]

Which would have been anyone, but Trump. Rubio, Cruz, Bush and Kasich, all would have whipped Hillary on integrity alone. You can toss a rock out the window and odds are you will hit someone that would have beaten Hillary on integrity. The problem? Trump is one of the few people on this planet that cannot do that. This is the very reason GOP has turned their back on Trump, his incompetence is not an R v D issue...

Cruz has Integrity?

[lockedout]

That's really fucking classy of the RNC to bring a grieving mother on stage and blame Hillary Clinton for the death of her son. Just terrible.

Lol the democrats do it after every shooting, Sandy Hook comes to mind.

[zenkai]

Well...that is in general how primaries go.

There was a lot of hate directed at Clinton and Trump by their own party. I have never witness such hate against the lead candidate, other than what Clinton said about Obama in 2007

[Lenonis]

Lol the democrats do it after every shooting, Sandy Hook comes to mind.

And the GOP criticizes them every time. Then turns around and does the same thing. So is it ok to do? or wrong to do for both? Can't be either or.

[zenkai]

Only if you cannot read what you are quoting... I fucking gave you an example of how to post Hillary scandals, without getting the reply you complain about.

Fair enough, it wasn't on my screen when I hit the quote button and didn't notice it when it was added in, I apologize.

[Barnabas]

Cruz has Integrity?

believe it or not there are people that still prefer cruz. like the racist that talked in that interview yesterday.

[Lenonis]

There was a lot of hate directed at Clinton and Trump by their own party. I have never witness such hate against the lead candidate, other than what Clinton said about Obama in 2007

Clinton and Obama had a very contentious primary that was a lot uglier than people probably remember given the reconciliation that has happened since.

To your point, however, no where in our history (I believe) have we ever had two major candidate with unfavorables this high. This really is picking the best of two bad candidates from that point. (And also where the parties had a real opportunity to pick someone well liked and sail to the White House).

[Hammerfest]

Nobody but the Reps give a shit, sorry.

The ratings would suggest it isn't just Republicans who were watching this.

[Barnabas]

Clinton and Obama had a very contentious primary that was a lot uglier than people probably remember given the reconciliation that has happened since.

To your point, however, no where in our history (I believe) have we ever had two major candidate with unfavorables this high. This really is picking the best of two bad candidates from that point. (And also where the parties had a real opportunity to pick someone well liked and sail to the White House).

well people didn't want bernard. i think he would've gotten killed if he were elected though.

[Hammerfest]

That's really fucking classy of the RNC to bring a grieving mother on stage and blame Hillary Clinton for the death of her son. Just terrible.

Yeah, like the typical "parade of victims" that the Dems always trot out at their conventions sobbing over what Republican and conservative ideas have done to them isn't vastly more terrible.