Anduin - Son of the Wolf

[nonameelf]

In your headcanon opinion. The actions of Genn says otherwise.

Genn who was ordered by Anduin to go to Stormheim and to attack if necessary?

[Lightwysh]

That's.... Not Fearbreaker, not a hammer. That's a scepter, his ugly baby model had the same one in Vanilla. There are two drawings of Fearbreaker, both depict Baine holding it, and it looks a lot like something from Ulduar,- which makes sense:

http://wow.gamepedia.com/File:BaineA...rsBeforeUs.jpg
http://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Glowei..._Bloodhoof.jpg

Doesn't look that different from generic Paladin hammers.

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What? How did you get that? The ending shows them in the Exodar, with Anduin as an old high king, ready to launch an attack against "The Shadows", which is most certainly Void Lords. Nothing Legion there.

An attack on what, with what forces? It's so ambiguous, but to me it shows them leaving, maybe for another timeline. Maybe they are headed to AU dreanor for reinforcements.

[Disreali]

If Anduin is high king now that means it's hereditary which means it is not just a military title like people are pretending it is.

No, it means that the other Alliance leaders confirmed him as High King after his father was dead. Which wasn't uncommon with the High Kingship of Ireland. It wasn't necessarily hereditary, but sons could, and did, succeed fathers.

Further, it's clear that the "High King" doesn't interfere with the internal affairs of member nations. Which is what separates the position from Warchief. When a people joins the Horde they pledge an oath to the Warchief. He or she is their supreme leader in all things. With the High King? He's recognized as the leader of the Alliance and the supreme commander of all of its military forces, but he has no say in the internal affairs of each member nation.

It's a more centralised alliance than you would like, but it's still an alliance. Like the Commonwealth. We all recognize the sovereignty of Elizabeth II, but each of our nations has its own leaders and laws.

Genn who was ordered by Anduin to go to Stormheim and to attack if necessary?

Genn is ordered to Stormheim, but he's clearly taking actions into his own hands and going off-script.

[FelPlague]

Genn who was ordered by Anduin to go to Stormheim and to attack if necessary?

attack if necessary is not "attack on sight"

[Venziir]

An attack on what, with what forces? It's so ambiguous, but to me it shows them leaving, maybe for another timeline. Maybe they are headed to AU dreanor for reinforcements.

Again - Void Lords, and the forces are, obviously, the Army of Light.

[nonameelf]

No, it means that the other Alliance leaders confirmed him as High King after his father was dead. Which wasn't uncommon with the High Kingship of Ireland. It wasn't necessarily hereditary, but sons could, and did, succeed fathers.

Further, it's clear that the "High King" doesn't interfere with the internal affairs of member nations. Which is what separates the position from Warchief. When a people joins the Horde they pledge an oath to the Warchief. He or she is their supreme leader in all things. With the High King? He's recognized as the leader of the Alliance and the supreme commander of all of its military forces, but he has no say in the internal affairs of each member nation.

It's a more centralised alliance than you would like, but it's still an alliance.

There's literally no reason for Anduin to be high king other than it being hereditary. Which means it is not a military position and the alliance is not an alliance anymore.

[Lightwysh]

Again - Void Lords, and the forces are, obviously, the Army of Light.

I just re-read it. It's just so ambiguous it's near impossible to determine. One final attack? Are they gonna 9/11 the Exodar into Argus?

[Deleted]

There's literally no reason for Anduin to be high king other than it being hereditary. Which means it is not a military position and the alliance is not an alliance anymore.

Or it was out of respect of Varian and the fact that Anduin is the leader of the most powerful nation in the Alliance. And that he was already King of Stormwind during several wars in the past.

And still doesn't decide over the internal politics of each nation.

[nonameelf]

Or it was out of respect of Varian and the fact that Anduin is the leader of the most powerful nation in the Alliance. And that he was already King of Stormwind during several wars in the past.

So what? If it's suppose to be a military position they should be putting someone with military leadership experience in it. Not someone who's there purely because of who his daddy was.

[Disreali]

There's literally no reason for Anduin to be high king other than it being hereditary.

I can think of a few reasons other than the position being hereditary.
The first is that Stormwind, even with Varian's death, is still has the strongest military in the Alliance. It makes sense to keep the High Kingship tied to the Crown of Stormwind for the time being.
Secondly? Continuity. Varian didn't pass away during peace time when a council of Alliance leaders and diplomats could have a lengthy discussion about who to succeed Varian as High King. He dies in the middle of a war. Passing the position onto Anduin reassures everyone that the continuity of Alliance leadership remains strong.

On a more RL level...WoW is a product. You need to market it. Going "Horde and Alliance" and "Warchief and High King" is simply more marketable than "Horde and Alliance" and "Warchief and multi-nation bureaucracy headed by a council of delegates." Doesn't exactly inspire, does it?

So what? If it's suppose to be a military position they should be putting someone with military leadership experience in it. Not someone who's there purely because of who his daddy was.

Lothar was Supreme Commander because of who his daddy was. And who his ancestor was.

[nonameelf]

I can think of a few reasons other than the position being hereditary.
The first is that Stormwind, even with Varian's death, is still has the strongest military in the Alliance. It makes sense to keep the High Kingship tied to the Crown of Stormwind for the time being.
Secondly? Continuity. Varian didn't pass away during peace time when a council of Alliance leaders and diplomats could have a lengthy discussion about who to succeed Varian as High King. He dies in the middle of a war. Passing the position onto Anduin reassures everyone that the continuity of Alliance leadership remains strong.

Neither of these are legitimate reasons why he would be made a military leader.

On a more RL level...WoW is a product. You need to market it. Going "Horde and Alliance" and "Warchief and High King" is simply more marketable than "Horde and Alliance" and "Warchief and multi-nation bureaucracy headed by a council of delegates." Doesn't exactly inspire, does it?

Alliance was just fine without a high king for years. This is just pointlessly alienating to players that play races other than human.

[Graden]

Genn who was ordered by Anduin to go to Stormheim and to attack if necessary?

Genn is a King of his own, with his own personal army. If you knew his character well, Genn probably doesn't give the slightest shit what Anduin says or not. He is a very stubborn old man to say the least, and he will let nothing to stop him from getting his revenge.

[Venziir]

I just re-read it. It's just so ambiguous it's near impossible to determine. One final attack? Are they gonna 9/11 the Exodar into Argus?

It's not at all ambiguous. But whatever.

[nonameelf]

Genn is a King of his own, with his own personal army. If you knew his character well, Genn probably doesn't give the slightest shit what Anduin says or not. He is a very stubborn old man to say the least, and he will let nothing to stop him from getting his revenge.

Well, he went to Stormheim on Anduin's orders so...

[Deleted]

So what? If it's suppose to be a military position they should be putting someone with military leadership experience in it. Not someone who's there purely because of who his daddy was.

Yet, Anduin is the one with the support of the majority of the Alliance throughout WoW, more than his father ever had. He studied with Bolvar, he spent time in Ironforge as a student of the Light and a diplomat, he became apprentice of Velen and led diplomatic actions in Pandaria.

It's not because "Varian's son", far from it. If there is hereditary works here is the fact that he was the heir of the Stormwind Armed Forces.

[nonameelf]

Yet, Anduin is the one with the support of the majority of the Alliance throughout WoW, more than his father ever had. He studied with Bolvar, he spent time in Ironforge as a student of the Light and a diplomat, he became apprentice of Velen and led diplomatic actions in Pandaria.

It's not because "Varian's son", far from it.

Why does diplomacy matter for a military position?

[Disreali]

Neither of these are legitimate reasons why he would be made a military leader.

Stormwind being the most powerful nation in the Alliance would indicate otherwise.
Anyway he seems to have delegated the job of military leadership to Genn.

Alliance was just fine without a high king for years.

In story or out of story?
In story the Alliance was directionless until Varian returned. Out of story? Even back before the High King thing was made official? The marketing from WotLK revolved around Thrall and Vairan, and then Garrosh and Varian. The "High King" stuff just canonized what the marketing team had been doing for years.

Anyway I'm done with this. You're not even replying to arguments, just repeating the same thing over and over. And I've let you drag me into an argument that's taking away from a discussion about a pretty cool comic.

That's the problem you see. You don't like the High King idea? Ok, everyone has something in the lore they don't like. It's only a problem when you don't let it go and try to make it dominate every discussion where it could possibly fit, like you're doing. Have a good one.

[Graden]

Well, he went to Stormheim on Anduin's orders so...

It's not like he didn't want to. He just grabbed the chance to go full ape-shit against Sylvanas. Anduin's orders were to only engage if necessary.

[Deleted]

Well, he went to Stormheim on Anduin's orders so...

After Sylvanas and not the Legion.

[FelPlague]

Well, he went to Stormheim on Anduin's orders so...

yes but anduin did not say "attack the horde as soon as you see them" he tells them to take care of themselves, and do what is needed, if they attack, or are doing something bad (like possibly joining the legion)