If this actually happened it should be an immediate declaration of war involving all of NATO.
If this actually happened it should be an immediate declaration of war involving all of NATO.
We don't have a base in Syria.
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"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."
-- Capt. Copeland
We need some Skroe in the thread, stat!
US base or a CIA base used to train "Freedom fighters"? Unclear at this moment.. Waiting on World News™ for confirmation.
Ulmita really reaching for something to make Russia seem relevant. He keeps getting laughed out of his NATO/Russia thread.
I understand Marcellus. I would be butthurt AF too if my government trained terrorists got bombed several times by my "existential threat" and we didn't do anything about it despite saying how irrelevant Russian army is and how powerful we are - aka we just barked and barked and barked.
Middle of the work day but I'll say this:
The Obama Administration is on their way out the door in 109 days.
For the past two months they've been utterly desperate... DESPERATE... to engage in a deal with Russia in Syria to share targeting, flight and intelligence information. They have attempted to do this despite the overwhelming disapproval and disagreement of the Pentagon, the State Department and the CIA. Basically yet again, Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes whisper in Barry Obama's ear, and Barry ignores the dozens of people telling him "this is a horrible idea". Don't be surprised. This is the recurring theme of the last 4 years. Obama, being a terrible manager of his staff, tells different people different things, and in the final calculation, always goes with what the people down the hall (Rice, etc.) want to do and not what the people across town (State, Defense) think.
Obama lives in a bubble within his own administration. It's really pathetic.
The administration wants the deal because they know ISIS is now part of Obama's legacy, and they want to clean it up.
I'll look into this story later at sites more reputable than Fox News. But turning the other cheek, even in a situation like this, totally fits the Obama Administration M.O. There is no changing it at this point. All we can do is keep score of how many brain dead moves the moron in charge and his true believer squadron makes before he stops hurting the West in his obscene quest to be an internationally popular citizen of the world.
I will say though, if this indeed happened, while it's far too late (and pointless) to remove Obama from office, it should dog him for the rest of his crap life.
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Bombed what? Desert tribesman? There weren't any western troops in the base. It was about as effective as bombing wind. Not to mention US jets chased your bombers off and you just ran around like scared rats till they returned to their carrier.
Had there been servicemen killed, Russia would be answering for it and there would have been more of an uproar in media about it.
Again, you're trying to find something, anything to make it seem like Russia is doing jack all in Syria.
And don't forget to mention, the concern about it informing the Russians of the location of all US / coalition assets in the region... their up to the date movements, their plans... everything.
Obama wants to give away the store to save his own ass.
@GoblinP, in addition to what Kellhound said, why is it the US that must do the deconflicting. Last check the US alone had, between ground based and sea based aircraft, about six to eight times as many aircraft in the region as Russia. All of them more modern, more capable, and flown by pilots who fly on average ten times the flying hours per year as Russian pilots do.
Russia should keep out of the US's way in Syria, not the other way around. That's the opinion of the State Department, which has been advocating bringing down the hammer on Assad for months in memos. That's the opinion of the Department of Defense which is deeply offended by Administration policy. The only people it's not the opinion of is the guy who is out of office in 109 days and the handful of people who work down the hall in the West Wing and believe some really weird shit.
I honestly can't wait for Hillary to put this terrible era in foreign policy behind us.
As for my face @Ulmita, it's blank, because I read about this yesterday, and I wasn't remotely surprised that the Obama Administration turned the other cheek. This isn't really about Russia, or Syria, or ISIS. It's about the bizarre parallel universe about seven people in the West Wing exist in. It was blank because it's been 4 years of nonsense like this. I can't be surprised at this point, about that set of no talent failures.
But soon, it's over, and the bi-partisan consensus foreign policy restoration will be in full effect.
But the problem is, the US has two goals, one, get rid of Assad, two, get rid of ISIS/avoid a Libya.
Those goals are not mutually compatible.
Absent a US ground force, those things are not mutually compatible.
Getting rid of Assad will collapse Syria, and be a cluster fuck of untold proportions.
To avoid accidents - This incident, seems like a very orchestrated 'accident' -
Sure - Russia should be nice and but out, but they wont, and that's life.@GoblinP, in addition to what Kellhound said, why is it the US that must do the deconflicting. Last check the US alone had, between ground based and sea based aircraft, about six to eight times as many aircraft in the region as Russia. All of them more modern, more capable, and flown by pilots who fly on average ten times the flying hours per year as Russian pilots do.
Which would be monumentally stupid.Russia should keep out of the US's way in Syria, not the other way around. That's the opinion of the State Department, which has been advocating bringing down the hammer on Assad for months in memos.
What would Clinton's policy be? how would it be implemented? What would the outcomes be?That's the opinion of the Department of Defense which is deeply offended by Administration policy. The only people it's not the opinion of is the guy who is out of office in 109 days and the handful of people who work down the hall in the West Wing and believe some really weird shit.
What would the price tag be?
Because to be clear, the only policy proposal I have heard from Clinton is, enforcing a No fly over parts of Syria.
Which would be awesome, because it would in no way be a violation of Syrian Sovereignty, it would risk war no way when the Syrians shoot down some of those Aircraft illegally patrolling its airspace, and it would be awesome to see Russia not give a fuck about the No fly and then that would be awesome.
And for what? - Well if done without opposition (or rather elimination of the Syrian opposition) absent ground forces it would only be a new Libya.
Because Libya was such a resounding success.
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