Texas allows guns in college classrooms under new law

[Daelak]

As opposed to suicide by whatever other means a creative and supremely depressed person can employ? Texas has bridges and high places still. Plenty of cheap rope. Hell, we give out plastic bags at the corner store if you buy two items or more. If you're convinced to end it all the means don't matter. Recognizing when people need help and giving them that help they need is more important than arguing over how they killed themselves.

Completely false. The most efficient method is a firearm. People that survive suicide attempts overwhelmingly agree that they are glad they did not end their life, and that it was a bout of deep depression.

[nakigara]

ITT: Now its legal for crazy people to bring guns to class

Like they wouldn't have done it before anyways if they were that disgruntled? WTF are you people really that blind?

You know mental health shows up in the Federal background check you have to pass to buy a gun and the one you also need to get the permit to carry said gun legally. Two factor authentication, as it were.

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Completely false. The most efficient method is a firearm. People that survive suicide attempts overwhelmingly agree that they are glad they did not end their life, and that it was a bout of deep depression.

Yeah, it's efficient - it's the right tool for the job. Good job glossing over the concept that a suicidal person with a gun is just a suicidal as a person without a gun.

[Daelak]

Yeah, it's efficient - it's the right tool for the job. Good job glossing over the concept that a suicidal person with a gun is just a suicidal as a person without a gun.

But it's a lot harder for a suicidal person without a gun to kill themselves in an extreme panic depressive episode.

[Dsc]

Funny that these shootings happen in commie controlled areas and gun free zones.

When eas the last time someone shot up the NRA convention, my local gun show? or my son's Highschool trap shooting event?

*gasp* it doesn't happen, because these dregs of society, the "mass shooters" prefer victims who can't defend themselves. They tried in garlad Tx and went home in body bags.

Same with big citys. Look at Chicago. Darn near strictest "gun control" in the country, violence on par with RIO. Then we have lovely "gun free" areas like France who just had a priest beheaded... Try that in my Parish. LMFAO, Or the socialist wonder country Venezuela. No guns there. Just Rapes and murderers galore. Just like Europe. with their religion of peace raping women for not wearing burkas... lol my wife would deadify them.

Thanks for your concern. Go Live your life. I'll keep my gun. Good Job Texas.

[Aboubacar]

You know mental health shows up in the Federal background check you have to pass to buy a gun and the one you also need to get the permit to carry said gun legally. Two factor authentication, as it were.

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Yeah, it's efficient - it's the right tool for the job. Good job glossing over the concept that a suicidal person with a gun is just a suicidal as a person without a gun.

But most people choose the quickest and least painful way... It's much more difficult to hang yourself lol

[nakigara]

But it's a lot harder for a suicidal person without a gun to kill themselves in an extreme panic depressive episode.

Is it? My sister in law sure didn't have an issue without a gun in the house.

[Aboubacar]

Funny that these shootings happen in commie controlled areas

You have no idea what communism is do you?

[Daelak]

Is it? My sister in law sure didn't have an issue without a gun in the house.

True, firearm suicide is the most prevalent in the US.

[TZucchini]

You know mental health shows up in the Federal background check you have to pass to buy a gun and the one you also need to get the permit to carry said gun legally. Two factor authentication, as it were.

It's supposed to show up on the NICS. Depends on whether or not the state submitted that information. It is voluntary, after all, and Federal law cannot mandate the reporting. Just look at Virginia Tech. The state failed to report Cho's mental health records, and he passed his NICS.

This is an area that needs to be significantly improved upon.

[MasterOfNone]

I thought it was quiet logical....

From what i can tell, you have read one or two pages of this thread.. find a comment and was trying to come up with a witty post or, that voice in you head telling you to correct people wont shut up untill you do.

You never once thought, ermm there's more than one page here, ill see what OTHERS have said.. if you had you would have noticed that i already had the same conversation with someone else and we cleared things up!!!!, you didn't have to search for my posts or follow me or what ever!... the point i'm making is because you were to lazy to read threw a whole thread i had to rejustfy my self again.

It isn't my fault you are lazy and little to no attention span to last more than 1 or 2 pages, the rest of the conversation was on the NEXT page!

I'm not trying to be nasty i was trying have a laugh at the irony and it was lost in translation...

Going to edit my original post so further lazy people like you aren't giving me RSI :P lol

peace x

Once again, if you want to be taken seriously, post seriously. Don't make a stupid statement on page one and then explain yourself on page five expecting people to keep up with your scattered thoughts. Editing your post should be the first thing you did. It's called edit for clarification. More lazy of you to expand your actual point and thought through multiple posts than it is to request someone to have a bit of congruency so the topic is easier to follow.

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What's going to be sad, yet predictable of this forum with the conservative braintrust, will be the wholesale denial of suicide by firearm as a legitimate metric of firearm violence, which will probably be the biggest consequence of this law.

What denial? Are you advocating that conservative ignores suicide by firearm? Or are you saying that suicide should be calculated in the same metric and stat as firearm violence? Suicide =/= firearm violence as firearm violence is defined in America. You need to change the idea behind the definition of the definition itself before you can realistically lump the two together.

[Whitehatter]

Once again, if you want to be taken seriously, post seriously. Don't make a stupid statement on page one and then explain yourself on page five expecting people to keep up with your scattered thoughts. Editing your post should be the first thing you did. It's called edit for clarification. More lazy of you to expand your actual point and thought through multiple posts than it is to request someone to have a bit of congruency so the topic is easier to follow.

it's called having a conversation!.. sometimes you don't always have time to go back an edit because you are trying to defend your self against people like you!..

If you want to keep arguing.. go for it, but in my eyes i haven't got time to be feeding the obvious troll that you are xx

all the best

[Daelak]

Once again, if you want to be taken seriously, post seriously. Don't make a stupid statement on page one and then explain yourself on page five expecting people to keep up with your scattered thoughts. Editing your post should be the first thing you did. It's called edit for clarification. More lazy of you to expand your actual point and thought through multiple posts than it is to request someone to have a bit of congruency so the topic is easier to follow.

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What denial? Are you advocating that conservative ignores suicide by firearm? Or are you saying that suicide should be calculated in the same metric and stat as firearm violence? Suicide =/= firearm violence as firearm violence is defined in America. You need to change the idea behind the definition of the definition itself before you can realistically lump the two together.

I'm not advocating, it's the truth. Pro-gun rights advocates don't lump suicides by firearms as a legitimate metric of firearm violence, because it doesn't help their narrative that firearms should be plentiful in circulation and access.

[MasterOfNone]

it's called having a conversation!.. sometimes you don't always have time to go back an edit because you are trying to defend your self against people like you!..

If you want to keep arguing.. go for it, but in my eyes i haven't got time to be feeding the obvious troll that you are xx

all the best

Just shush junior. Leave the idea of following a conversation to those that can actually do so without purposefully trying to be vague or confuse people.

[Unkempt]

It's supposed to show up on the NICS. Depends on whether or not the state submitted that information. It is voluntary, after all, and Federal law cannot mandate the reporting. Just look at Virginia Tech. The state failed to report Cho's mental health records, and he passed his NICS.

This is an area that needs to be significantly improved upon.

The problem on this is that most of the mental health issues will never get reported because it never gets to the state level for them to report even if they wanted, unless something has happen to make the state a matter of the public record. Most mental health issues never leave the privacy of a therapist or doctors office, because we have very strict medical privacy laws in this country. Without making major changes to medical privacy laws, which I think universally most would be opposed to, it is a very delicate balancing act.

[Jotaux]

I feel a lot safer under the assumption that no one I meet here is carrying a gun.

[MasterOfNone]

I'm not advocating, it's the truth. Pro-gun rights advocates don't lump suicides by firearms as a legitimate metric of firearm violence, because it doesn't help their narrative that firearms should be plentiful in circulation and access.

I'm pro gun rights and I don't lump it together because it's not what I consider to be the normal "firearm violence" when self inflicted. Nothing to do with fitting my agenda or pushing back. The normal definition for firearm violence as I see it includes a perpetrator and a victim which are two different t people. Maybe you shouldn't assume it's always about one thing? That's why I stated there needs to be a clear definition of what firearm violence is.

[tj119]

Funny thing is, colleges don't pat down kids before they enter the class, anyone with a conceal carry was already taking their gun to class. Non-issue.

[primalmatter]

Is this really a big issue?

Colleges have allowed weapons such as tasers and pepper spray before in class. I don't see the harm in firearms. If someone was going to shoot up the classroom it isn't like they are going to respect a no weapons policy either way.

[Daelak]

I'm pro gun rights and I don't lump it together because it's not what I consider to be the normal "firearm violence" when self inflicted. Nothing to do with fitting my agenda or pushing back. The normal definition for firearm violence as I see it includes a perpetrator and a victim which are two different t people. Maybe you shouldn't assume it's always about one thing? That's why I stated there needs to be a clear definition of what firearm violence is.

Self harm is violence. It's already been defined. You cannot ignore an entire bloc of firearm deaths because it doesn't hold your own definition of what firearm violence is. It hurts your narrative because suicide by firearm is the most prevalent in the US.

[MasterOfNone]

The problem on this is that most of the mental health issues will never get reported because it never gets to the state level for them to report even if they wanted, unless something has happen to make the state a matter of the public record. Most mental health issues never leave the privacy of a therapist or doctors office, because we have very strict medical privacy laws in this country. Without making major changes to medical privacy laws, which I think universally most would be opposed to, it is a very delicate balancing act.

There are laws to protect his records. Unless his condition is related to something that could prove violent, what can really be done? One hand you have people screaming that he failed a mental check of some kind and hat his records should have been subject to scrutiny. On the other hand you have people that will sue organizations for peeping at his private records. It's a double edged sword. Not saying I agree with the system, because it does need work. I can see the hypocrisy in the situation however.

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Self harm is violence. It's already been defined. You cannot ignore an entire bloc of firearm deaths because it doesn't hold your own definition of what firearm violence is. It hurts your narrative because suicide by firearm is the most prevalent in the US.

Didn't say it wasn't violence. Saying it can't be lumped into YOUR narrative either. It was not perpetrated from one person to another.