Paul Ryan: Democratic Party Moved 'Far Far Far To The Left'

[Yvaelle]

Can we please stop with this myth? Europe is not just Scandinavian and very western Europe. Abortion is illegal in Ireland. Is that not Europe? Is Poland not Europe? Come on.

And even in those countries you have far right parties.

The entire political spectrum outside the US is much broader, whereas the US political spectrum is very narrow - and goes between centre right, and far right. Outside the US's two party system, you can literally have communism, fascism, left wing ~anarchists, fundamentalist religious groups, ultra capitalists, status quo centrists, etc - all on the same ticket with a ~real chance of winning.

So it's not to say that the US has a monopoly on far right politics, but that the US has a narrow political discussion between choosing far right groups (tea party minarchists, ultracapitalists like Koch/Trump, religious fundamentalists) - or choosing what would still be right wing centrists by any other countries standards (Hillary, Barack, Bill, etc).

For comparisons sake, you may have heard of Justin Trudeau to the north - as though he's some sort of looney left wing candidate? He's actually our centrist party, to the left of him is the NDP - which was the runner-up party (if we didn't go with Justin, we would have gone even further left) - and beyond the NDP is the Green Party, and beyond them is the Socialist Party, and beyond them - Canada used to have a literal Communist Party (who was actually advocating abolishing private ownership, and they used to get a couple percent of the vote).

Here is the US political compass this election:



https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Here is the earlier chart from during the primaries:



Virtually the entirety of US politics is concentrated in that Authoritarian Right quadrant (blue), and usually it's even within the upper right quadrant of that quadrant. This is a weird year, because Trump is unusually Left (economically) for a Republicans candidate, and Hillary is deeper to the Right economically than Barack or Bill (both were exactly in the middle of the blue quadrant).

[Deleted]

Can we please stop with this myth? Europe is not just Scandinavian and very western Europe. Abortion is illegal in Ireland. Is that not Europe? Is Poland not Europe? Come on.

And even in those countries you have far right parties.

Ireland is not far right. I wouldn't even know where to begin to show you how much wrong you are. Jesus christ people. Think THEN speak for fucks sake.

[Jeezy911]

So not only did I get to struggle for the past 20 years finally paying off my Student loans the hard way, now I get to pay for yours too?

[Elegiac]

So not only did I get to struggle for the past 20 years finally paying off my Student loans the hard way, now I get to pay for yours too?

Chances are you're not making sufficient income to qualify for that level of tax.

And an empathetic human being would go through such an experience and think 'I'd rather others not have to suffer like I did'.

[Deleted]

So not only did I get to struggle for the past 20 years finally paying off my Student loans the hard way, now I get to pay for yours too?

"I've had it bad and so should you!"

[Jeezy911]

"I've had it bad and so should you!"

"I've had it bad and don't want to pay for yours!"

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Chances are you're not making sufficient income to qualify for that level of tax.

And an empathetic human being would go through such an experience and think 'I'd rather others not have to suffer like I did'.

Feel free to pay for it yourself then, making other pay is not the solution. You think that taxing the rich only will pay for a 220 billion dollar program, even if I was in that bracket I still don't want to pay for it period."

[Damajin]

Looks like Paul Ryan has moved too far to the left for The Donald.

Trump Tweets Support For 'Lyin' Ryan' House Challenger
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/02/488358...use-challenger

Paul Ryan has always been a big open borders, big corporate/globalist guy that played a good game during the 08-10 years and grabbed lots of support he wouldn't have gotten if people knew his positions on shit as well as they do now. It's really no surprise that a guy preaching economic nationalism, hardcore border security and the other things Trump is making his policy around supports Nehlen.

Paul Ryan, just like Boehner and Eric Cantor has to go.

[Damajin]

Can add McCain to that list.

Trump isn't backing Paul Ryan, John McCain
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politi...ies/index.html

More power to him, McCain is a major part of the problem we're all dealing with now.

[Actarius]

@Yvaelle

I never strongly considered that perspective, but it really makes sense. I generally consider myself in the green block - I suppose, which is probably why I liked Sanders so much.

[Orange Joe]

The majority of the country does not benefit from those things. Especially not the working people who make decent money.

None of the things you call free are free, it's paid for by the tax payer.

It's as simple as that.

Reduced crime is not a benefit? Living in a happier healthier nation is not a benefit?

[vareck]

Did I just see this?

Someone please tell me I'm misreading this post.

I don't believe you are. Any couple that is not ethnically homogenous and otherwise heterosexual should not be raising children, fam. Single parenthood is another situation that should be avoided wherever possible because growing up in a household without a man and woman both present for the parenting is unhealthy.

How does it feel to be a bigot?

Pretty content in knowing that at least my children will look like me
I like what Muhammad Ali has to say about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igBFwS483Qk

Quite fitting for the Tennessee resident stereotype

Yeah Memphis is pretty degenerate and Knoxville isn't too great either.

[Wells]

I don't believe you are. Any couple that is not ethnically homogenous and otherwise heterosexual should not be raising children, fam. Single parenthood is another situation that should be avoided wherever possible because growing up in a household without a man and woman both present for the parenting is unhealthy.

Pretty content in knowing that at least my children will look like me

This is gross.

[Deleted]

I don't believe you are. Any couple that is not ethnically homogenous and otherwise heterosexual should not be raising children, fam. Single parenthood is another situation that should be avoided wherever possible because growing up in a household without a man and woman both present for the parenting is unhealthy.

Pretty content in knowing that at least my children will look like me

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.

[shimerra]

Pretty content in knowing that at least my children will look like me

A bold statement considering any woman worth a damn wouldn't be willing to bear your children with the senseless dribble you post.

[vareck]

A bold statement

Why would you want to dilute the culture and identity of both groups by producing children who belong to neither?

woman worth a damn wouldn't be willing to bear your children

Is being enamored with the ideology of modernity part of a woman being worth a damn? If so, I find your disparaging comments against woman who have ideas that disagree with your own to be pretty sexist 2bh fam

[Deleted]

Why would you want to dilute the culture and identity of both groups by producing children who belong to neither?
Is being enamored with the ideology of modernity part of a woman being worth a damn? If so, I find your disparaging comments against woman who have ideas that disagree with your own to be pretty sexist 2bh fam

Yeah look whatever you think buddy. Just dont go on a shooting spree alright?

[vareck]

Yeah look whatever you think buddy. Just dont go on a shooting spree alright?

Why would I ever want to destroy my own life? Especially when it would accomplish nothing. The best thing I can do is live a good life, not throw it away.

[Deleted]

Why would I ever want to destroy my own life? Especially when it would accomplish nothing. The best thing I can do is live a good life, not throw it away.

Well I don't know why but you also think that mixed couples should not have children so yeah, you're full of surprises. Considering that kind of statement belongs in the "full on lunatic" sector as well, you can't really be sure.

[shimerra]

Why would you want to dilute the culture and identity of both groups by producing children who belong to neither?

Do you get all your info from Eugenic/KKK/phrenology websites? Did my Grandparents mixing German/Italian, among other things, dilute their culture and identity? No, they didn't. Drawing an arbitrary and idiotic line like you have primarily based on skin color wit a little culture tacked on for good measure isn't based in rationality. And I saw your linking to some nber paper neglecting to note that the only reason any mixed race child has any type of issue has far more to do with small minded people like yourself then it does with any type of inherent flaw with the coupling of their parents.

In other words you and people who think like you are the problem, not mixed race couples.

Is being enamored with the ideology of modernity part of a woman being worth a damn? If so, I find your disparaging comments against woman who have ideas that disagree with your own to be pretty sexist 2bh fam

You could find them sexist. Then you'd be stupid because I wasn't making a sexist comment because any man that holds the same thinking is equally as stupid. You were just unable to detect that horrendously obvious fact or you're deliberately missing my point to attack a strawman. I wasn't disparaging women.


A male or woman holding your opinions, or being willing to breed with someone who does, are equally stupid and as I said before not worth a damn in my opinion. Not because of their gender but because of the sheer sould crushing level of stupidity they excude. I wasn't disparaging women. I was disparaging any specific woman stupid enough to consider having your children. Not because they were a woman but because they were stupid enough to mate with you. They'd be equally as stupid had they impregnated you. The being stupid enough to mate with you is the critical part of my statement, not the gender.

[vareck]

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When your post can be summed up as "you're stupid and your opinions are dumb because I don't like them" then you might want to rethink things.