What is YOUR biggest problem with Legion?

[Melkorr]

Other than the fact that I can't play it yet. All good sir.

[Lac]

Concerns for Artefact Power between specialisations over how punishing it will be

Having played beta for a couple of months now, I can tell you, its not punishing at all. Basically you get talents on your weapon really quick for the first 65-70% of the talents then it slows down. You can then switch to your off spec weapon and get that up to the same point very fast so you now have two weapons at the same level. After you research your artifact knowledge, items and quests that used to give XXX artifact power now give alot more. I think that at the moment I need 30K artifact power for my next talent but each item i get some quests etc is about 3-5K so its not too bad.

Essentially, level one, then level the other, then concentrate on your main spec one until you max it then max your off spec one. etc etc.

[Zavala_451]

Highmountain

I feel like they really dropped the ball in this zone compared to all the others. It's really not a fun place to be at any point

The rest of the beta feels great though

[Ijoemomma]

they killed of -- after he had to play seat-warmer for a whole expansion and got to do nothing just so the -- can be warchief now. fuck them

You know a lot of people don't know that right? You could at least be respectful enough and hide that

[kamuimac]

Having played beta for a couple of months now, I can tell you, its not punishing at all. Basically you get talents on your weapon really quick for the first 65-70% of the talents then it slows down. You can then switch to your off spec weapon and get that up to the same point very fast so you now have two weapons at the same level. After you research your artifact knowledge, items and quests that used to give XXX artifact power now give alot more. I think that at the moment I need 30K artifact power for my next talent but each item i get some quests etc is about 3-5K so its not too bad.

Essentially, level one, then level the other, then concentrate on your main spec one until you max it then max your off spec one. etc etc.

this could work for causal crowd - it is punishing for more hardocre focused crowd indeed and there is no discussing with that but it should be good for the game overall

[Deleted]

Highmountain

I feel like they really dropped the ball in this zone compared to all the others. It's really not a fun place to be at any point

The rest of the beta feels great though

Are you crazy? Its my FAVORITE part of legion so far! I done every single quest in there on the Beta. The quests were awesome, the tauren are fucking awesome & the events are crazy good.

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this could work for causal crowd - it is punishing for more hardocre focused crowd indeed and there is no discussing with that but it should be good for the game overall

Thank god then that the game is made for the masses and not the 0.1% of the hardcore.

[Zavala_451]

Are you crazy? Its my FAVORITE part of legion so far! I done every single quest in there on the Beta. The quests were awesome, the tauren are fucking awesome & the events are crazy good.

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Thank god then that the game is made for the masses and not the 0.1% of the hardcore.

I mean it's subjective, but everyone I have spoken to on the beta hates highmountain compared to the other zones. The story doesn't make sense, the placement of flight paths and quest hubs feels slap dash and traversing the environ is very frustrating. The whole quest arc just doesn't seem to fit, what with neltharions lair and drogbar both good and bad and taurens that are all the same but we have to believe are different, I just think it's super bland. Not to mention the aesthetic feels really sup-par compared to all the other zones.

Boring, bland yuck.

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I mean it's subjective, but everyone I have spoken to on the beta hates highmountain compared to the other zones. The story doesn't make sense, the placement of flight paths and quest hubs feels slap dash and traversing the environ is very frustrating. The whole quest arc just doesn't seem to fit, what with neltharions lair and drogbar both good and bad and taurens that are all the same but we have to believe are different, I just think it's super bland. Not to mention the aesthetic feels really sup-par compared to all the other zones.

Boring, bland yuck.

Disagree on every point. High mountain is by FAR the best zone and the 4 friends I leveled with in the beta all agree.
Guess opinions can differ quite a bit.

[Marrilaife]

Can I enter a dungeon in a tank spec, but queued as DPS?

Nope, also they removed the ability of tanks to switch to no-aggro stance (warrior stances, monk stances, dk presences, pala righteous fury, they're gone and you're automatically in the tank stance as tank and dps stance as dps). But I guess in the end I will never know the answer to the original question since you dodge it in all possible manners.

Living proof that no matter how much Blizzard modifies tanking to please the casual crowd there's no pleasing some people will always refuse to perform any other role than "dps", so the queues will stay the way they are. Then I wonder why is Blizzard even trying.

Just started playing a lot of alts, to get them to 100 before 30/8:
- Hellfire and Rain of Fire gone for Warlocks
- Casttime and CD on Blizzard for Mages
- Hurrican removed for Druids
- Earthquake removed (for EnhShaman), healing by wolves removed, Flame Tounge totem removed, chain lightning/heal removed

1. Rain of fire is still there.

2. Blizzard was a filler and channelled at that, how is it better that you had to stand and channel it, now you can place it and throw other spells on top of it.

3. Hurricane sucked long time, another long channelled spell that prevented you from doing anything else. Starfall was always better option for aoe if you had it since they implemented it.

4. Enhancement never ever had Earthquake. It started as a top tier talent for elemental (and poor damage at that), until they actually made spell useful. Flame tongue is now a weapon buff. Chain lightning still exists as elemental, enhance has crashing lightning and few aoe talents in case they want more. Melee specs casting spells is weird anyway, giving them more melee oriented aoe with proper visuals is a great move from Blizzard instead of both specs sharing half the spells (like shocks and so on). Being a melee spec that can put totem and hit chain lightning both at long range is not exactly fair, same reason why ret paladins lost a lot of their range spells - want to play ranged, pick a ranged spec.

Chain heal exists for resto and that's where it belongs. Dps specs are not meant to be aoe healers, they can get some self heals that's it. I heard enhance self heal was really bad for pvp but they were buffing it recently. I don't pvp so I don't know if that fixed it or not.

What I see from the above post is a person who wanted to spam 1 button aoe even if that button was piss poor for years (blizzard, hurricane). There are way more efficient way to "kill demons" than stuff like hurricane that was obsolete for years due to poor damage.

If boomkins have a reason to cry is the starfall "nerf", you no longer can pull the whole dungeon with it, and that used to be the reason boomkins were insane farmers for old instances. However for current content it was more annoying than barrage, pull everything in range...

1) Class balance: we saw a few classes noticeably at the top by the end of HFC: Mages, rogues and warlocks in particular. Compared to something like a windwalker monk, mages were far superior. I was completely lucky that I picked mage in WoD. If I had picked one of the weaker classes, I would have been at a severe disadvantage. This is clearly poor design on Blizzard's end. The real question is whether or not this imbalance is intentional or not. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of mathematics could balance the classes significantly better than was done in WoD. I'm not sure it's fair to assume the class designers are complete morons when it comes to basic maths, so I will instead assume this is a design goal intended to create shifts of power between classes. Either way, I believe it is a horrible design and virtually any player will agree.

Mage / Rogue is always Blizzard's 2 favourite children. You want a safe bet good dps class, pick a Mage for ranged and Rogue for melee. Despite claims that hybrid tax has been removed, Bliizard will always tone down monks, dks, priests, shamans etc. so those "pure" classes can top dps meters.

I will have to reroll otherwise I wont get a spot in raids since warlocks dont bring any important utilities or damage.
There's a place for 2+ mages or rogues in raids but not for warlocks...

Bullshit, plenty of guilds are recruiting warlocks by the sheer favour of them being ranged and you just can't find that many mages to fill all ranged slots with them even if you wanted. Demonic gateway is unique utility, for example many guilds on Tyrant relied on people gateway-ing the p3 edicts away, some guilds used gateway for Iskar chakrams or Killrogg heartseekers, I'm sure there will be uses of it in Legion raids too.

You could cry if you were let's say Survival Hunter (because who the hell has even left open melee spots, if there were any probably DH rerollers called dibs on them). Yes, Warlock dps is not great in Legion. It might be buffed (while hybrids like Ele shamans or WW monks nerfed), I'm sure they're gonna do tuning pass 1 month into the raid, it's gonna be HM all over again where they nerfed hybrids like monks and buffed pures (like Hunters back then).

I'm pretty sure a lot of guilds are in the same boat like mine "recruiting ranged dps for Legion". Melee is insta decline no matter the class or skill of the player - no spots. Ranged are up for consideration and we'll have at least 2 of each ranged class. Having too many of the same class that for example favours exactly the same trinket might be a problem in gearing up on progress.

[pyrostorm9001]

Highmountain

I feel like they really dropped the ball in this zone compared to all the others. It's really not a fun place to be at any point

The rest of the beta feels great though

I did Highmountain last thinking it would be horrible, once I got there I was eating my hat. It overtook Stormheim as my favorite leveling zone.

[Deleted]

Blood of Sargeras BOP.

[Zephre]

Two major problems tbh, one is the lore, killing off Vol'jin was incredibly stupid especially when they've already killed off our previous warchief. I'm sick to death of there being a new bloody warchief every expansion since Cataclysm...First Garrosh, then Vol'jin and now Sylvanas. I have absolutely no respect for a character who only thinks about herself, the forsaken have never been trustworthy and they still ain't she never should of been warchief, they wasted Vol'jin's chance to step up and killed off the only major horde troll in lore.

Secondly, Demon Hunters. They've made the class so easy to play even an idiot can pick it up and succeed, I mean I shouldn't be surprised they've been catering to the lowest common denominator for years, this is just the icing on the cake. The class should of had a higher skill cap than it currently does to serve as a deterrent to the masses of people wanting to pick it up.

[Deleted]

Off the front page:

Legion is going to be a longer expansion with more patches so that the story is told well

We're in for some long lulz

[Marrilaife]

Secondly, Demon Hunters. They've made the class so easy to play even an idiot can pick it up and succeed, I mean I shouldn't be surprised they've been catering to the lowest common denominator for years, this is just the icing on the cake. The class should of had a higher skill cap than it currently does to serve as a deterrent to the masses of people wanting to pick it up.

It is a bit disappointing but seems they deliberately made DHs have "pruned" rotation so everyone who bought Legion just so they can play a new, cool, shiny DH won't feel overwhelmed, they're trying to lure back in people who quit years ago, who wanted to play DHs since TBC and so on.

If they really wanted to offer options, they should offer another viable way of customizing Havoc through talents except "boring demon blades" and "twitchy momentum", I mean a spec that isn't momentum but adds a few extra interesting buttons to your rotation. Don't like the idea of momentum because it makes mobility abilities being used "when I need to roll the dps buff" instead of "when I need mobility". What next, a rogue talent "each time you use evasion, cloak of shadows and crimson vial you get a damage increase buff"?

[PragmaticGamer]

Living proof that no matter how much Blizzard modifies tanking to please the casual crowd there's no pleasing some people will always refuse to perform any other role than "dps", so the queues will stay the way they are. Then I wonder why is Blizzard even trying.

You guessed it. It's all part of my nefarious plot to ruin your life. How did I slip up, so that you noticed?

[Deleted]

The ability pruning, class changes, and especially the tank changes. I dislike my old main class, and many of the specs I've played as alts are also wanting. Luckily I found one that I can enjoy playing.

[ythemaster]

Combat pace seems a little bit slowed to me. I don't know why

[Thelin]

Agreed. And, for me, artifact weapons. Its too restrictive.

Can't say I'm surprised. WoD destroyed professions and they just can't seem to figure out what they want to do with them. Profession choices used to matter simply because of the added benefit (extra gem, cloak enchant, etc etc) but now they're bland and they don't offer that other pathway to get better gear. Why bother grinding out professions if they don't offer a different path toward an upgrade?

[unbound]

From everything I can find, including all the glowing talk on these forums, I see no evidence that Blizz is doing anything beyond the same lazy effort they put into WoD. I see plenty of indicators that people will be bored and complaining (again) about 3 months after Legion launches.

For me, I really can't think of anything that I have a problem with going into Legion. I am in beta and it seems very polished with where it's at. The classes feel varied and interesting and the content... there's almost too much content to consume. It's going to take players a very long time to do everything there is to do in Legion.

You realize that people were saying this same thing just before WoD launched too. I've learned my lesson from WoD, and I'm not plunking down $60 and $15/mo when there is nothing objectively better than the past few expansions. In fact, this is the first expansion with a new class that only had 2 specs. There is only one weapon which, while cool, will most likely be boring within a couple of months. Class halls are just Garrisons v2.

Now, I am willing to change my mind. If, say, 4 months after launch, WoW demonstrates that they really have made things much better than WoD, I may very well come back. If, what I think is true, WoW demonstrates another mass exodus, then I will not be coming back until at least the next expansion where I will hold the same views.

TLR - every indication is that Blizz is being lazy. Until they spend $.60 for every dollar I give them on WoW, I will not return to their spending of $.20 for every dollar given to WoW.

[apepi]

Samething for last expansion, which is why I stopped playing, they don't care about pvp.