Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[zenkai]

The amount of bullshit you are saying is astounding. Fine ill bite, but it won't matter in the end, you will deflect, or simply ignore how wrong you are.

Yes, I want you to dig for exactly who you are accusing of being bot. You responded to someone claiming that Hillery bot are incoming... Who? Where? Yes, I can tell you that there are no Hillary bots on this forum, because even you cannot find them.

I never said anytjing like that, read the post again, I said Hillary Bots will defend her no matter the negative things she does.

This is where your bias should be blatantly obvious. You cannot be bothered to even have a single example of these bots, but have no issue posting about them.

I am biased because I won't dig through a 1180 post? LOL Are you seriously going to Tell me there aren't people on these forums who will defend Hillary when she's in the wrong? That's just plain naive.

No, I do not think there are Trump bots. Have never said there were any and have never seen any. As much as I post against Trump, good luck finding one post that doesn't explisidly deal with an issue being discussed. Good luck finding me excusing replies to my bullshit, by saying 'those damn Trump bots'. That's how your false equivalency works...

There are Trump bots, I seen people defend stupid shit he said.

Hey mr hypocrite, you are the one who called me a liar on the last page, because you didn't even understand what I said.

You sound like Trump when you talk, you made no sense. Sorry explain it further, what did I get wrong.

But, when I called you a liar last, I followed with "but, you are good people". How come after you posting about Hillary bots, saying she is the same as Trump, shows your lack of bias? While me doing the same while calling you a liar, means I still called you a liar? Can't have your cake and eat it too... If your biased post got negated by you saying candidates are the same, then it's only fair that me saying you are good people after calling you a liar, is negated as well? Right?

Where did I say Hillary is the same as Trump? I NEVER SAID THAT. Show me proof of that, I will wait for it. I said there are extreme supporters on Hillary and on Trump side that will defend them no matter what they say or do.


Do you dislike me so much that this really bothers you? Seriously get over it. If you can't admit there are extreme supporters on either side then ignore it and continue to live in your fantasy world.

[callipygoustp]

DEA's pot ruling slammed by lawmakers doctors advocates

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s camp immediately stated Clinton would, as president, downgrade cannabis’ status to schedule 2."

...and California is a lock!

[Fahrenheit]

"Oh noes! The orange-haired wonder is dropping f-bombs! But da kids!"

Le sigh...if this is what bothers you about Trump then I'm worried about your ability to vote sensibly.

What bothers me is his apparent cavalier attitude when inviting a semi hostile foreign power to meddle in our election for his express benefit. I mean there was a veritable cornucopia of detestable comments besides that, but if I had to pick one.

[Felya]

The amount of bullshit you are saying is astounding. Fine ill bite, but it won't matter in the end, you will deflect, or simply ignore how wrong you are.

Nope, as evidenced by this post and several previous, as well as my long posting history, I don't deflect... I don't ignore... I'm not you, as an example... Let's see you list Hillary bots you called out... Asking 3rd or 4th time?

I never said anytjing like that, read the post again, I said Hillary Bots will defend her no matter the negative things she does.

Uhm... I'm saying you said the bold. Now, where are these defenders no mater what? Where are they? Where are these Clinton bots?

I am biased because I won't dig through a 1180 post? LOL Are you seriously going to Tell me there aren't people on these forums who will defend Hillary when she's in the wrong? That's just plain naive.

No, you are biased because you claim something exists, that you cannot find. I am saying that her being wrong is a mater of bias and a Hillary bot, is not defined by just disagreeing with you. If it's that hard to find the people you are calling out, what the fuck are you doing calling them out, if not bias?

There are Trump bots, I seen people defend stupid shit he said.

Nope, sorry... Not biased... Each person has reasons to support Trump, I've yet to encounter a bot and I doubt you'd desagree that I argue against Trump a lot. My opinion is not the holly Grail, turning disagreement into bots.

You sound like Trump when you talk, you made no sense. Sorry explain it further, what did I get wrong.

No, I explain everything just right. You already responded that you cannot find these bots you call out, so I'll stick with the belief you know exactly what I'm saying. You really need me to explain why complaining about being called a liar, is a hypocrite, after you did it your self?

Where did I say Hillary is the same as Trump? I NEVER SAID THAT. Show me proof of that, I will wait for it. I said there are extreme supporters on Hillary and on Trump side that will defend them no matter what they say or do.

Did you or did you not say they are both a joke? Please, copy and paste the part I omitted, which lead you to call me a liar. Seriously...

Do you dislike me so much that this really bothers you? Seriously get over it. If you can't admit there are extreme supporters on either side then ignore it and continue to live in your fantasy world.

No, as I explained, extreme support for Hillary is so hard to find, that you cannot even do it. I'm sorry, but that means you live in a fantasy world. Because, I can find unicorns, as easy as you seem to find these extreme Hillary bots.

You don't bother me, the crap you post does. Yes, your posts are that egregious.

[Felya]

I have no need to. Both candidates are shit. The end.

You are honestly going to go the Zenki rout and claim they are the same? You chose to ignore it being said about Hillary, to focus on the deflecting reply. Media or extraterrestrials did not make you do it...

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We get it. He's the epitome of a narcissist. To want to be President of the United States, it is required.

Nope, it is not. Quite a lot of our presidents had to work hard to be in the position to be president. We even had one with polio making him wheelchair bound. It's slanderous to our former presidents... All of them...

[Lenonis]

Show me the statements made by GOP leaders that "make it clear."

Wait....do you really think the GOP is opposed to conversion therapy?

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/07/t...rsion-therapy/

And let's not forget historical precident:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/texas-gop-gay-therapy/

http://gawker.com/a-brief-and-ugly-h...orm-1783934258

You are doing the equivalent of asking me to prove to you why water is wet. It's self-evident that the GOP pushed an anti-gay platform which includes support for reparative therapy.

It has everything to do with attributing intent beyond what people say.

So....you can never make conclusion through series of statements and actions unless it's explicitly stated word for word? That's....absurd. Especially in politics.

Anyway I'm done with this conversation. Even though you claim to be against this it smacks of trying to defend the GOP platform's stance on LGBT rights due to some super bizarre hangups on semantics. I have no interest in even entertaining this as valid.

[alexw]

What bothers me is his apparent cavalier attitude when inviting a semi hostile foreign power to meddle in our election for his express benefit. I mean there was a veritable cornucopia of detestable comments besides that, but if I had to pick one.

The one that got to me is the report where he asked three times "if we have nukes why can't we use them?". I mean I loathed him already but that really really frightened me. That someone that much of a sociopath and that thin skinned would have the deciding say over that much military might. Its just too much of a risk for any sane person to take.

[Merkava]

Wait....do you really think the GOP is opposed to conversion therapy?

The issue is not whether I think the GOP is opposed to conversion therapy, the issue is whether or not their platform specifically calls for it. It does not. You have zero evidence of that. All you can do is say "well we all know what they meant." Again, there's lots of inferences I could make without evidence in regards to statements made by people that you would support, claiming the same right.

It's self-evident that the GOP pushed an anti-gay platform which includes support for reparative therapy.

No, it's not. You keep saying it is, but you can't prove it. Things that are self evident are obvious. The wording in the platform is, according to Snopes ambiguous and does not expressly identify conversion by name. Sorry to break it to you, but ambiguous means the opposite of self evident.

So....you can never make conclusion through series of statements and actions unless it's explicitly stated word for word? That's....absurd. Especially in politics.

You can draw conclusions when you have enough evidence to draw them. In this case, you simply don't have enough evidence to support your opinion.

Anyway I'm done with this conversation. Even though you claim to be against this it smacks of trying to defend the GOP platform's stance on LGBT rights due to some super bizarre hangups on semantics. I have no interest in even entertaining this as valid.

You'll be back. And I don't claim to be against gay conversion therapy, I am against it. Here's a post of mine in an earlier thread

Listen, homosexuality was declassified as a treatable mental disorder 40 years ago. These shysters acted as counselors even though they posses no qualifications or credentials. They've taken money from people, they've defrauded people while promising success through a course of treatment that no professional psychiatric or counseling association approves of or even deems ethical. They've caused great harm to individuals by lying to gays and telling them that they have a treatable mental illness when they don't. They've caused anxiety and self loathing, and they've done harm to society by helping promulgate inaccurate perceptions about homosexuality.

It has nothing to do with semantics. I'm just as against it as you are. The difference is that I don't let my personal feelings get in the way of my judgement.

[alexw]

I have no need to. Both candidates are shit. The end.

False equivalency. One is a low-medium grade corrupt which is basically what all politicians are in our glorious pay to play system. The other is this plus utterly unsuitable in every way shape and form for holding the power of the presidency. Temperament, policy knowledge, mentally wellbalanced, you name it he lacks it.

[Merkava]

False equivalency. One is a low-medium grade corrupt which is basically what all politicians are in our glorious pay to play system. The other is this plus utterly unsuitable in every way shape and form for holding the power of the presidency. Temperament, policy knowledge, mentally wellbalanced, you name it he lacks it.

Low grade, medium corrupt. Lol.

[Felya]

Sorry this is 2016 your argument is completely invalid. If you want to live in this fairly tale that is morality in politics then so be it. But don't sit here and force it down our throats that presidents have to be upstanding and well-spoken to get the job done.

Uhm... I'm sorry, but 2016 is not defined by Trump. He has not changed the principals behind our presidents. Your bar has been lower to Trump's level, mine and I'd like to believe the general public's, has not.

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False equivalency. One is a low-medium grade corrupt which is basically what all politicians are in our glorious pay to play system. The other is this plus utterly unsuitable in every way shape and form for holding the power of the presidency. Temperament, policy knowledge, mentally wellbalanced, you name it he lacks it.

They are trying to lower the bar to justify Trump. Hillary is a lot like Obama, McCain, Romney, Bush and Bill, as a politician. That argument worked, because the differences were far smaller than the similarities. But, with Trump, as he him self boasts, it's not the same. The 'they both suck' argument doesn't work, because one is a dirt devil and the other is a skid mounted industrial vacuum.

[May90]

"They both suck" is like saying "All humans are flawed". Sure, but it hardly adds any useful information.

[JohnBrown1917]

False equivalency. One is a low-medium grade corrupt which is basically what all politicians are in our glorious pay to play system. The other is this plus utterly unsuitable in every way shape and form for holding the power of the presidency. Temperament, policy knowledge, mentally wellbalanced, you name it he lacks it.

I'd consider Clinton to be a lot worse than your average politician.
Then again, the US does have low standards for its politicians.

[alexw]

Low grade, medium corrupt. Lol.

Despite what might exist in republican fantasy land, yes, low-medium grade corrupt. Or do you think she is more corrupt than the average politician? If so why? Do not virtually all other politicians do favors for lobbyists? Do not virtually all other politicians take part in pay to play? Do not virtually all other politicians somehow become magically much richer than you'd expect from their salaries alone? In what way is she differently corrupt than Bush, Cheney, Romney, Obama?

Oh and I say low-medium grade corrupt because if you want to see high grade corrupt look at Russia, Brazil, Ukraine, or Greece to see the difference from high grade corruption.

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They are trying to lower the bar to justify Trump. Hillary is a lot like Obama, McCain, Romney, Bush and Bill, as a politician. That argument worked, because the differences were far smaller than the similarities. But, with Trump, as he him self boasts, it's not the same. The 'they both suck' argument doesn't work, because one is a dirt devil and the other is a skid mounted industrial vacuum.

Yup. You see this from all the Trump supporters, that they use false equivalency when the two candidates are obviously not the same. Its also obvious why - its about the only way right now for Trump to win. He is so lacking in the necessary qualities to be president he can only become president if the Trumpists can convince everyone else that Clinton is just as bad. Hence you get the laughably ludicrous attempt to portray Clinton as needing help to walk up some steps, so as to suggest she is deficient too (physically vs Trumps obvious mental deficiencies). No-one in their right mind is going to buy it though.

[May90]

I'd consider Clinton to be a lot worse than your average politician.
Then again, the US does have low standards for its politicians.

During election season, every candidate is a lot worse than an average politician. What things Obama, Romney and McCain got to hear... Jeez!

[Felya]

You can polish up one turd as much as you want, the fact remains that they are both dog doo-doo. This lesser of two evils bullshit is quite hilarious. One is a loud mouth idiot...the other is a lying, corrupt scumbag. BOTH TURDS.

This is the problem here, Hillary is not just the lesser of two evils. Saying as much under plays how horrible Trump is, versus over play on how horrible Hillary is. In reality, every election can be argued as lesser of two evils, because that's the cup half empty version of a candidate that meets your requirement the closest. Unless you are custom making a candidate, there will never be one that you'll say is your choice without question.

Considering this, yours, just like everyone else's, claims that they are same ol' shit or it's the lesser of two evils, are complete disengenous bullshit. There has never been a worse candidate in American history, than Trump. There has never been a candidate who's support so heavily relies on burning the country down. So, no, it's not the same ol' shit... It's not lesser of two evils... Save that rhetoric for every other election, when it's actually true.

Yeah I lol'd pretty hard at that too. It's like saying Trump is moderately rich.

The irony of this statement rests in his tax returns.

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I'd consider Clinton to be a lot worse than your average politician.
Then again, the US does have low standards for its politicians.

I disagree 100%... Hillary is the epitome of an avarage politician. In the future, next to the word politician in the dictionary, will be a link to Hillay's gallery on google images. There is no politician out there, that embodies what an avarage politician is better than Hillary. Make a list of everything you think of a politician, then think how closely it matches Hillary.

I'm not talking about idealized versions of politicians. No need to reply with ideals like integrity, consistency or closets that are not covered in ectoplasm. Like, real, avarage politician... Who fits it better?

[Zomis]

This is the problem here, Hillary is not just the lesser of two evils. Saying as much under plays how horrible Trump is, versus over play on how horrible Hillary is. In reality, every election can be argued as lesser of two evils, because that's the cup half empty version of a candidate that meets your requirement the closest. Unless you are custom making a candidate, there will never be one that you'll say is your choice without question.

Considering this, yours, just like everyone else's, claims that they are same ol' shit or it's the lesser of two evils, are complete disengenous bullshit. There has never been a worse candidate in American history, than Trump. There has never been a candidate who's support so heavily relies on burning the country down. So, no, it's not the same ol' shit... It's not lesser of two evils... Save that rhetoric for every other election, when it's actually true.



The irony of this statement rests in his tax returns.

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I disagree 100%... Hillary is the epitome of an avarage politician. In the future, next to the word politician in the dictionary, will be a link to Hillay's gallery on google images. There is no politician out there, that embodies what an avarage politician is better than Hillary. Make a list of everything you think of a politician, then think how closely it matches Hillary.

I'm not talking about idealized versions of politicians. No need to reply with ideals like integrity, consistency or closets that are not covered in ectoplasm. Like, real, avarage politician... Who fits it better?

Trump has said some crazy things but Hillary has some crazy things. If you think Hillary will make a good President I can only laugh.

[Bollocks]

Trump has said some crazy things but Hillary has some crazy things. If you think Hillary will make a good President I can only laugh.

Let's base on policy. What do you find crazy on it?

[Merkava]

Despite what might exist in republican fantasy land, yes, low-medium grade corrupt. Or do you think she is more corrupt than the average politician? If so why? Do not virtually all other politicians do favors for lobbyists? Do not virtually all other politicians take part in pay to play? Do not virtually all other politicians somehow become magically much richer than you'd expect from their salaries alone? In what way is she differently corrupt than Bush, Cheney, Romney, Obama?

Oh and I say low-medium grade corrupt because if you want to see high grade corrupt look at Russia, Brazil, Ukraine, or Greece to see the difference from high grade corruption.

Sorry. Didn't know that we were including banana republics into the equation in our effort to make Hillary appear only "low-medium grade corrupt."

And, yes, I believe that, in her personal, political, and professional life, Hillary is more corrupt than anyone that you listed.

[Wulfey]

Sorry. Didn't know that we were including banana republics into the equation in our effort to make Hillary appear only "low-medium grade corrupt."

And, yes, I believe that, in her personal, political, and professional life, Hillary is more corrupt than anyone that you listed.

Show one instance of verified quid pro quo where Hillary delivered a favor in return for payment. You need both the payment, and the delivery.

Something like the following:
Florida AG sought donation before nixing Trump University fraud case
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politi...rump-donation/

Here is another good one:
Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Christie Took Office. [settled for $5 million of the owed taxes]
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/us...=politics&_r=0