Mafia 73: Emergency is NOW!

[Marack]

@JynxieJ Any further information on the note? or just crackle is guilty?

[Allowyn]

Yes, why would it tell you why I visited the casino? Please explain how that makes any sense given you believe that I am either a roleblocker or framer? Why would I as a framer also visit the same target two nights in a row?

It told me because you're mafia, and likely have limitations. Ie you tried to RB or Frame someone on N1 but because your night actions weren't submitted before then you went back to the casino for orders? Man I dunno the nitpicky details of how this game goes. I just have a gut feeling you're Scum and I have the proof to back it up.

And I'm not going to tell you why as a framer you would do that, you're here to explain to us every decisions behind your actions and what you allegedly said and did.

[dupti]

dupti, I actually doubt you are a town drunk. The claim of visiting danner N1 and saying you hope he dies sounds a little fishy in my eyes. Searching for some town cred? I can however believe what you did N2/3.

What? No, I did not visit him because I thought he was scum.

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It told me because you're mafia, and likely have limitations. Ie you tried to RB or Frame someone on N1 but because your night actions weren't submitted before then you went back to the casino for orders? Man I dunno the nitpicky details of how this game goes. I just have a gut feeling you're Scum and I have the proof to back it up.

And I'm not going to tell you why as a framer you would do that, you're here to explain to us every decisions behind your actions and what you allegedly said and did.

You have no proof at all, what are you talking about? You saw me visit the casino and we have no idea what that means.

Then you know that I visited Ret n2 and n3, a player whom is still alive and who I claimed my role to yesterday.

[Allowyn]

Also I'm about to give up on this game entirely due to the fact that I can now only access MMO-C on my phone. And it's impossible to properly do post analysis and quoting via phone in comparison to browser. Shits me off and I'm going insane trying to deal with this.

[dupti]

@Reticence please confirm you got my messages already.

[listo95]

dupti, I actually doubt you are a town drunk. The claim of visiting danner N1 and saying you hope he dies sounds a little fishy in my eyes. Searching for some town cred? I can however believe what you did N2/3.

A town drunk is meant to have fun... When I got town drunk a few games back I made every single heckle I was able to do before death (and as bumps) usually killing the person in some form. Like I skewered Virothe for one of them!

[Graeham]

@Reticence: I was out of order yesterday and my frustration was directed at the wrong players. For that I apologise.

To answer your question regarding my other statement yesterday, however, I feel like Arialla is in a rather strange situation. He claimed to have the ability to impact the way in which night actions play out so in my eyes that would mean that Arialla would very likely be a high priority target. Of course we cannot rule out the simple fact that someone has been protecting Arialla.

Though he did 'something' to both Virothe and yourself in the day thread whilst also mentioning that his abilities came at a 'price'. Whether he's scum or town then I'm certain that 'price' is him having to post his intended actions in the day thread for them to come into effect. I believe people had some concerns about how the night actions were being handled in this game and if some players truly can influence how they play out then it makes sense to me that there would be drawbacks for the sake of fairness.

With all that said it isn't enough for me to want to push on Arialla today; especially since there's a lot of stuff going on already and the day has only just started.

[Marack]

I visited Danner d1. Considering he flipped mafia, that might be why it told you I visited the casino. What else do you think it means? How does me 'visiting the casino' make me scum?

In either case, I might as well just claim. I see no real reason not to. I'm a town drunk.

Visited Danner n1, told him that I hope he dies. n2 I visited Ret, told him that he better be town. Last night I visited him again and sent him a poem.

What? No, I did not visit him because I thought he was scum.

SO did you or did you not visit danner N1... 2 posts in the last 30min or say that contradict one another

[dupti]

No, read it again. What I am saying is that I did visit him, but not because I thought he was scum. You seemed to imply I claimed to have visited him for town cred, but me saying I was hoping for him to die had nothing to do with his alignment.

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Ah I can see I worded that poorly, my bad.

[Reticence]

Um, n3 I did pretty much straightaway. N1 and N2 were pretty close to the deadline I think.

Please verify. It is pertinent.

@Listo and @Reticence, just to comment on the whole Arialla thing. I do not believe Danner's flip matters that much, but Dranx' does. I don't think Arialla is ever on that team and given his claim I think he is more likely to be town.

I think he's more likely to be town, as well, just pointing out the flaw in Listo's reasoning.

Then you know that I visited Ret n2 and n3, a player whom is still alive and who I claimed my role to yesterday.

I was so confused when you posted that, but I'll explain why in a moment.

[listo95]

@Reticence: I was out of order yesterday and my frustration was directed at the wrong players. For that I apologise.

To answer your question regarding my other statement yesterday, however, I feel like Arialla is in a rather strange situation. He claimed to have the ability to impact the way in which night actions play out so in my eyes that would mean that Arialla would very likely be a high priority target. Of course we cannot rule out the simple fact that someone has been protecting Arialla.

Though he did 'something' to both Virothe and yourself in the day thread whilst also mentioning that his abilities came at a 'price'. Whether he's scum or town then I'm certain that 'price' is him having to post his intended actions in the day thread for them to come into effect. I believe people had some concerns about how the night actions were being handled in this game and if some players truly can influence how they play out then it makes sense to me that there would be drawbacks for the sake of fairness.

With all that said it isn't enough for me to want to push on Arialla today; especially since there's a lot of stuff going on already and the day has only just started.

He claimed what the price was in his claim back in D1. The action speeds up that night but then is slowed down the next. Of course I guess the having to do the action in the thread can also be a price.

[JynxieJ]

@Marack The first note the first night said that I was innocent, the second said Crackle was guilty, that's it. Nothing else.

[dupti]

Please verify. It is pertinent.

@Largehorn, can I post the specific times I submitted my actions?

[Marack]

@listo95 I know a drunk is supposed to be a fun role. I dont see dupti playing a drunk the way I expect it to be played. Saying he hopes someone, who has since flipped scum, feels like a cop out to me. Saying he hopes someone is town and sending them a poem... dont sounds like heckles, IMO. Hence, I dont feel dupti is what he claims.

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Then you know that I visited Ret n2 and n3, a player whom is still alive and who I claimed my role to yesterday.

When 'yesterday' did you claim your role to Ret. Post # please?

[dupti]

Marack please tell me how you expect it to be played?

I can't use it for reads or whatever, because my inebriation could change my message, so I don't even know how the actual message my target receives looks like.

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@listo95 I know a drunk is supposed to be a fun role. I dont see dupti playing a drunk the way I expect it to be played. Saying he hopes someone, who has since flipped scum, feels like a cop out to me. Saying he hopes someone is town and sending them a poem... dont sounds like heckles, IMO. Hence, I dont feel dupti is what he claims.

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When 'yesterday' did you claim your role to Ret. Post # please?

I claimed in #426.

[Virothe]

@listo95 I dont see dupti playing a drunk the way I expect it to be played.

So what are you going to message people if you are a drunk? Generally speaking you aren't allowed to communicate game related events, like he couldn't message you and say "Danner is scum"

It's supposed to just be a funny quirky role where you get to post inane bullshit at people and they have no idea where it came from.

[Reticence]

@dupti, @Allowyn, I am sorry to be playing the mystery game. I don't mean to. My role is a little weird, though, and may be muddying this situation up a little. I would prefer not to claim, lest it make the role completely useless.

I need Dupti to verify his actions, and I am waiting for a mod confirmation on something before I can weigh in on this.

In the meantime, I will state for the record that I believe that Dupti is a drunk or some similar message-spreading role, as such a role is inherently self-confirming as long as a visited target is alive to confirm. It'd be pretty stupid for him to lie about that, so he's probably not a roleblocker or a framer as you are suggesting, Allowyn.

I cannot in good conscience not mention the possibility of a scum drunk, but I typically expect the role to be town more often than not, and as such am more likely to trust Dupti as a result of his claim.

[Virothe]

I cannot in good conscience not mention the possibility of a scum drunk.

For that point there is always a chance at a 3rd party drunk as well, and I could see that in a game with the amount of night actions this one has.

[Allowyn]

@dupti, @Allowyn, I am sorry to be playing the mystery game. I don't mean to. My role is a little weird, though, and may be muddying this situation up a little. I would prefer not to claim, lest it make the role completely useless.

I need Dupti to verify his actions, and I am waiting for a mod confirmation on something before I can weigh in on this.

In the meantime, I will state for the record that I believe that Dupti is a drunk, as such a role is inherently self-confirming as long as a visited target is alive. I cannot in good conscience not mention the possibility of a scum drunk, but I typically expect the role to be town more often than not, and as such am more likely to trust Dupti as a result of his claim.

That's fine Reti, I'm absolutely convinced that he is scum. You don't have to follow suit, but I do expect people to thoroughly examine everything he says. I mean, why would it say he visited the Casino otherwise?

[Marack]

@Reticence, no sorry. I have no interest in addressing it. In fact Ret, I believe you are town so I'm just going to say this: you probably already know what my role is.

You probably know what my roles is doesnt = a claim to me