Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Merkava]

You still support the Iraq War yes?

I support the decision to remove Saddam and has mass murdering, psychopathic crime family from power, and to put an end to Baathist rule over Iraq.

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This kind? https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-lies-iraq-war

Was the defector's name George Bush? Because that's who I think I was talking about when I replied to this;

it was Bush and Cheney's stupidity with their lies that everyone bought into.

[Fadeslol]

I support the decision to remove Saddam and has mass murdering, psychopathic crime family from power, and to put an end to Baathist rule over Iraq.

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Was the defector's name George Bush? Because that's who I think I was talking about when I replied to this;

We shouldn't have never been in Iraq, they didn't do anything to us nor is it our business.

[Thepersona]

It wasn't Iraq that attacked us, what kind of lie could you tell? You're just trying to cover for her Stupidity.

It's sad people don't understand the difference between assumption and lying, and these guy's are voters.

considering that bush and cheney lied about the WMDs that iraq had in the congressional hearings, and misled those people (clinton among them) to vote for that war... a vote that she regretted afterwards
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...ke-iowa-118109

and for your second point, when you say those assumptions in public, despite having no evidence backing them, andfacts point the contrary, that's considered lying

Since you were insistent enough to use CAPS, that must mean that you have proof of the lie, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/07/usa.iraq1
there's the proof. and Saddam wasnt a baathist

[Fadeslol]

Double standard. Trump has been dragged to court far more times, has lost (or given up) legal proceedings far more times, and has been investigated by state and federal law/govt agencies far more times, and for far more serious charges, than Clinton ever has. Difference is, Clinton keeps coming out of the other side cleaner. Benghazi? Hearings concluded. No charges filed. Emails? Investigation concluded. No charges filed. Her charity? Nothing even brought to trial or hearing there. No charges filed. Until Trump actually resolves all his current criminal issues -- because legal proceedings WERE filed for tax evasion, fraud, and -- he is closer to being a criminal than Clinton, by virtue of losing in court more often and having more unresolved issues.

Should Trump go to jail? Not yet. He hasn't been found guilty in a court of law yet. But for his supporters to label Clinton a criminal and Trump as clear is nothing short of a double standard, and worse, one leaning the other direction from reality.

There was no charges against Hillary because our govt is corrupt.

Her email server was bs, her charity is a fraud and she lied under oath

Trump on Tax evasion? they are named as material witnesses

Trump Unv is just a Guru program, people have to learn that just because you pay for something, doesn't mean you will be successful. It's the same thing like going to school. Just because you go, doesn't mean you will make all the money in the world.

[Merkava]

considering that bush and cheney lied about the WMDs that iraq had in the congressional hearings,

And you have proof of that too?

[kail]

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Have fun.

Not trying to be nitpicky, but being false doesn't equate to lies. It just simply mean he's wrong, intentional or not. Chances are many of them are intention which wold then be lies, but it can just as easily be chalked up as plain ignorance and stupidity. With DT, it's hard to tell.

His John Miller denial is a lie. His claim on seeing people celebrate 9/11 is 99.9999% a lie. His letter from NFL is a lie.

[Crispin]

Was the defector's name George Bush? Because that's who I think I was talking about when I replied to this;

Bush and Cheney were still stupid, if they based their invasion on 1 persons story, and it still was a lie. Did Bush and Cheney sit in the spa and fabricated the lie? No.

[Thepersona]

And you have proof of that too?

i put the proof just below in that post...

PS: i was out for a few days, how many f*ck-ups the trump team has done recently?

[Wells]

I support the decision to remove Saddam and has mass murdering, psychopathic crime family from power, and to put an end to Baathist rule over Iraq.

Does this apply as a general rule for all nations or is Iraq special?

[Crispin]

Not trying to be nitpicky, but being false doesn't equate to lies. It just simply mean he's wrong, intentional or not. Chances are many of them are intention which wold then be lies, but it can just as easily be chalked up as plain ignorance and stupidity. With DT, it's hard to tell.

His John Miller denial is a lie. His claim on seeing people celebrate 9/11 is 99.9999% a lie. His letter from NFL is a lie.

If I have no idea about the distance to the moon, but say it's 20 miles, it's a lie, despite beeing an ignorant.

[Merkava]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/07/usa.iraq1
there's the proof. and Saddam wasnt a baathist

Do you know what the word "lie" means?

And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27athist_Iraq

[Fadeslol]

Not trying to be nitpicky, but being false doesn't equate to lies. It just simply mean he's wrong, intentional or not. Chances are many of them are intention which wold then be lies, but it can just as easily be chalked up as plain ignorance and stupidity. With DT, it's hard to tell.

His John Miller denial is a lie. His claim on seeing people celebrate 9/11 is 99.9999% a lie. His letter from NFL is a lie.

People did celebrate on 9/11. That not a lie, it wasn't tens of thousands, but people did.

[Thepersona]

Does this apply as a general rule for all nations or is Iraq special?

also considering that Saddam wasnt a baathist and kept the extremists at bay...
just assume that the invasion was about SA and Israel wanting him out of the game

People did celebrate on 9/11. That not a lie, it wasn't tens of thousands, but people did.

I havent seen proof of anyone celebrating (or groups of any size doing so) in the US soil

[kail]

If I have no idea about the distance to the moon, but say it's 20 miles, it's a lie, despite beeing an ignorant.

No, you would just be wrong. Lies are always intentional.

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People did celebrate on 9/11. That not a lie, it wasn't tens of thousands, but people did.

He did not see them celebrate 9/11 in New Jersey. That's his claim, which is a made up lie.

[Merkava]

Does this apply as a general rule for all nations or is Iraq special?

We've had this discussion before. Would I support the removal of all tyrants who fooled around with nuclear proliferation, waged wars of aggression against their neighbors, harbored internationally wanted terrorists, and carried out acts of genocide? Yes. If possible.

[Fadeslol]

No, you would just be wrong. Lies are always intentional.

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He did not see them celebrate 9/11 in New Jersey. That's his claim, which is a made up lie.

People did in NJ, obviously i don't know if he saw them, but people did in NJ.

[Merkava]

also considering that Saddam wasnt a baathist

Why do you keep saying that?

Saddam became President of Iraq, Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, Prime Minister and General Secretary of the Regional Command of the Ba'ath Party in 1979, during a wave of anti-government protests in Iraq led by Shias

[Thepersona]

People did in NJ, obviously i don't know if he saw them, but people did in NJ.

Proof please, because your word, of someone said, or someone saw doesnt count as proof
also:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...new-jersey-ch/

Rumours =/= Facts (or Proof in this case)

[Merkava]

i put the proof just below in that post...

PS: i was out for a few days, how many f*ck-ups the trump team has done recently?

Do you think I'm a Trump supporter? Do you think that would somehow strengthen your position?

[Dsc]

Wow, the Leftists are grasping at straws here. Trump's 9/11 claims. completely true.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...-celebrations/

UPDATE: A just uncovered CBS News report about “swarms of suspects” cheering 9/11 from rooftops has validated Trump’s “thousands” claim.

There is nothing yet that validates Donald Trump’s claim that on that terrible September morning “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims cheered the collapse of the World Trade Center. At worst, though, the Republican frontrunner is guilty of exaggerating. The DC Media, however, has been exposed (once again) as bald-faced liars who engaged in a 14 year cover-up.

Contemporaneous reports and eyewitnesses prove once and for all that some number of Muslims did in fact celebrate the collapse of the Twin Towers. Trump was not only right on this point, but by pressing the matter he has forced the DC Media to uncover a truth they did not want to tell.

Let’s lay it out:

New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani

As my colleague Joel Pollak pointed out, while interviewing Giuliani Tuesday morning, left-wing CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota was very unhappy when the mayor confirmed that there were indeed Muslim celebrations on 9/11. This wasn’t the way the interview was supposed to go:

Camerota quizzed Giuliani, hoping he would say that Trump is “lying.” She was frustrated when Giuliani merely said that Trump had been “exaggerating,” and pointing out hitherto ignored examples of handfuls of Muslims celebrating in New York.

“And those weren’t just rumors, those weren’t just reports, you went out and checked them out?” Camerota said–as if the former mayor whose credibility she had hoped to exploit to bash Trump were suddenly in doubt. (Giuliani confirmed the reports.)



CNN’s Chris Cuomo

After Giuliani’s interview, an exasperated Cuomo admitted, “Were people celebrating on 9/11? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. Should you say thousands were? No.”



MTV

Trump claimed he had seen television reports covering Muslims celebrating on 9/11. Those contemporaneous reports have now been found.

Dishonest left-wing outlets like MTV, National Journal and Mediaite are desperately spinning the revelation of these contemporaneous reports as proof Trump lied. In a burst of Orwellian memory-holing, MTV even brought back one of the witnesses so she could recant her story 14 year later.

Nevertheless, all that spin cannot change the fact that news reports of American Muslims cheering the fall of the World Trade Center have been found.

It doesn’t matter what the witness says now, what matters is what Trump might have seen at the time, and what Trump saw were news reports on television about people in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center.



The Washington Post

In his lying fact check, Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler writes, “There is absolutely no evidence of the celebration cited by Trump.” Except, of course, for all the proof listed here and a contemporaneous report in his own left-wing newspaper. A report, I should add, that Kessler did not include his initial fact check. Either this Hillary Guardian tried to cover up the Washington Post report, or he just didn’t look hard enough for evidence backing Trump’s claim.

This appeared in the Washington Post on September 18, 2001:

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

The report was never retracted by the Washington Post.



The New York Post

This appeared in a New York Post editorial written by Fred Siegel on September 14, 2001:

Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, N.J., celebrate as they received word of the murderous attack in New York and Washington. But Mayor Giuliani (who has been tireless and magnificent in this crisis) rightly warned New Yorker-ers that is would be wrong to take their anger our on the city’s Arab and Muslim residents. Attacks on Arab-Americans in Paterson or elsewhere are utterly indefensible.

This story was never retracted.



Radio News Reports of Muslim Celebrations

Jesse Singal at New York Magazine worked hard today to try and debunk my earlier story covering Fred Siegel’s New York Post editorial. In this so-called debunking, however, we learn that Siegel is a witness to September of 2001 radio news reports covering the Muslim celebrations. Obviously, this also buoys up Trump’s claim of news reports:

Siegel told Daily Intelligencer that he first heard about the celebrations (and the nationalities of the perpetrators) on the radio, though he couldn’t remember which station. In addition to those news reports, he said, he believes that some Muslims did celebrate because he heard it from two sources: an acquaintance from Clifton, New Jersey, and an Arab-American professor with whom he corresponded.

Not a small detail.



Legions of Witnesses

You would have to be a sap to believe everyone using social media to claim they witnessed American Muslims celebrating on 9/11. But you’d have to be a liar to dismiss all of them, as the DC Media is doing.



8. Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik

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9. CBS Anchor Dan Rather

Click here and scroll to the 12:30 mark. Dan Rather, who was then anchoring the CBS Evening News, tells David Letterman of reports of witnesses who saw Muslims on rooftops celebrating.

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Between the contemporaneous reports above and these eyewitnesses that have come out in the wake of the DC Media attempting to bury Trump, there is now no question that some number of American Muslims celebrated 9/11.

It happened.

And for 14 years the DC Media covered this crucially important story up.

And now, thanks to Donald Trump, we know the truth.

Trump appears to have exaggerated.

The DC Media, however, lied for 14 years and continues to lie today.

Meanwhile "The Clinton Foundation" is nothing but a front for them to peddle political power for cash into thier own coffers.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...oundation.html

While Hillary Clinton’s supporters in the liberal media are busy attacking Donald Trump, we’re learning that the State Department sought a major land deal with a Nigerian firm with ties to the Clinton Foundation. Of course, this happened while Hillary was President Obama’s Secretary of State.

hortly after Hillary Clinton left the Obama administration, the State Department quietly took steps to purchase real estate in Nigeria from a firm whose parent company is owned by a major donor to the Clinton Foundation, records obtained by Fox News show.

On March 20, 2013, William P. Franklin, an “international realty specialist” at the State Department, emailed Mary E. Davis, an American diplomat stationed in Africa, instructing her to “put on Post letterhead” an “expression of interest” by the department in purchasing property at Eko Atlantic, a massive real estate development off the coast of Lagos. Franklin further instructed that the signed letter was to be “delivered to Ronald Chagoury.”

The draft letter, also obtained by Fox News, was undated and addressed to Chagoury care of his firm South Energyx Nigeria Limited, a subsidiary of the larger Chagoury Group that is spearheading the Eko Atlantic real estate venture. The State Department letter sought, among other things, to confirm that the department could proceed with “acquisition of the real property…[at] the asking price of $1,250 per square meter.”

Overtures to real estate developers from State Department officials scouting locations for embassies, consulates and other diplomatic facilities would ordinarily not arouse interest. But in this case, the budding transaction – never completed, the department now says – raised eyebrows because Ronald Chagoury is the brother and business partner, in the Chagoury Group, of Gilbert Chagoury, a Lebanese-born businessman whom federal records show has donated between $1 and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Indeed, Gilbert Chagoury’s friendship with the Clintons can be traced back to the Clinton presidency. In the mid-1990s, Chagoury donated nearly $500,000 to a voter-registration drive designed to help Democratic candidates, attended a White House dinner for premium donors, and met with high-ranking officials in the Clinton White House – including Susan Rice, now President Obama’s national security adviser – who were shaping U.S. policy toward Nigeria.

More recently, the Chagourys’ close ties to the Clintons generated headlines when a separate series of emails from 2009 – between Doug Band, an aide to former President Clinton and Huma Abedin, an aide to Secretary Clinton – revealed the eagerness of the State Department to oblige a request for Chagoury to be granted access to senior officials working on Lebanon.

The State Department’s outreach to the Chagoury family, looking to buy property from the brothers, came less than a month after former President Clinton himself toured the Eko Atlantic project – for the second time. The first occasion was the ground breaking, in 2009, in which the former president participated. By all accounts, Eko Atlantic represents a staggeringly ambitious undertaking: the dredging of millions of tons of sand from the sea floor off Victoria Island and the creation of an estimated 3.5 square miles of new land, on which the Chagourys aim to establish what they call a “21st century city … for residential, commercial, financial and tourist development.”

Mr. Clinton toured the Eko Atlantic site for the second time on February 21, 2013 – twenty days after his wife left the State Department – to celebrate the Chagourys’ reclamation of 5 million square meters of land, a critical juncture in the project.

Crooked Hillary. Accept it, and DO NOT elect it!