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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    No, we wouldn't. We'd run her out of public office. But she hasn't, and that's what people keep forgetting. She hasn't done anything criminal - and people continue to ignore that basic fact.
    She has not been found guilty yet. Thats not to say she has not done anything criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    She has not been found guilty yet. Thats not to say she has not done anything criminal.
    In fact, not being found guilty (and to correct you, she hasn't even been indicted - just in case you weren't clear on some basics) is precisely what it means to have not done anything criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    With his history of sexual harassment of women and treatment of women, the fact that her story never changed ( this video is from the 90s) yeah I am inclined to believe it.
    By that logic, Donald Trump raped a 13-year-old girl. Let's stay on things that are proven for now, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    In fact, not being found guilty (and to correct you, she hasn't even been indicted - just in case you weren't clear on some basics) is precisely what it means to have not done anything criminal.
    Your right all the scandals, allegations and investigations have all been a vast right wing conspiracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Your right all the scandals, allegations and investigations have all been a vast right wing conspiracy
    As much as any other incorrect and unsubstantiated conclusion you wish to draw, sure.

    Think about it, by your own definition, you're a criminal, we just haven't been able to convict you yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    By that logic, Donald Trump raped a 13-year-old girl. Let's stay on things that are proven for now, please?
    Are you saying that Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    She has not been found guilty yet. Thats not to say she has not done anything criminal.
    If we all know she is a criminal, why bother even saying what crimes she committed? No need for charges in political threads. Trials are for cucks. Just head straight to the sentencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Are you saying that Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman?
    Under the definition of sex provided by the prosecution, he did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Your right all the scandals, allegations and investigations have all been a vast right wing conspiracy
    For the most part...actually yeah, pretty much. The fact that Benghazi went on for as long as it did is a fantastic example of that.

    Unless you want to get into the extreme fringe conspiracies where the Clinton's are supposedly responsible for killing dozens upon dozens of people. I don't think I have enough tinfoil to engage in that discussion, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Which ones in particular are you talking about? I've seen a few handfuls and the "worst" I've seen are emails from the Foundation asking things of the State Department that were either ignored by the State Department (never responded to) or were not granted (except in the case of the meeting with that Saudi(?) prince that Hillary already had a scheduled meeting with). For all the fanfare the info dump received I don't think I saw anything that was actually damning in any way.



    Like whom? I've not seen anything like that, so I'm quite curious.



    I think most folks here do, but that she's yet to be convicted of any.



    Bill was convicted of rape? When did that happen?
    He of course is going to link the CNN video where they say they help her by reporting on her. But there is zero evidence that they receive any monetary gain from it.

    And by his logic because Bill was ACCUSED of rape, that means he was a rapist, then so is Trump a rapist because he was also accused of rape. He is also a pedophile because he was accused of rape of a 13 year old too. It is great how accusations automatically mean they are convicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Are you saying that Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman?
    I'm saying, if past behavior is reason to side with the accuser, then Trump is a child rapist. However, as an American, I'll stick with "innocent until proven guilty". Which makes your rape story basically a rumor. It's both or neither. Pick one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    With his history of sexual harassment of women and treatment of women, the fact that her story never changed ( this video is from the 90s) yeah I am inclined to believe it. Are you saying this woman is a liar? What has she personally gained from this after all these years?

    http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm


    Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
    In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
    In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
    Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
    From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
    Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
    Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
    Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
    Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
    Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
    Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.


    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/artic...pe-allegations
    So, by your logic and reasoning here, Donald Trump is GUILTY AS FUCK for Pedophilia and Rape because of a lawsuit against him for raping a 13 year old? http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    So, by your logic and reasoning here, Donald Trump is GUILTY AS FUCK for Pedophilia and Rape because of a lawsuit against him for raping a 13 year old? http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...its-norm-lubow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And you can confirm that the cancelation was because of his mention of Clinton's health? It wasn't because of low ratings or one of the dozens of other reasons that shows are regularly canceled?
    If shows on cable news networks were cancelled for low ratings, MSNBC and CNN would have ceased to exist a long time ago.
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    I just think you retards are starting to get ridiculous with your childish language.

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    Nobody here is claiming the child rape charge is true. We are claiming, that if past behavior towards women was enough to side with the victim, then Trump is equally guilty as Bill Clinton. Without any actual evidence to back either claim up, and no court case with a guilty verdict, you can either go with Innocent Until Proven Guilty, or your candidate is a child rapist. Pick a side.

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    Is this supposed to be an argument or is this hurting more than helping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Nobody here is claiming the child rape charge is true. We are claiming, that if past behavior towards women was enough to side with the victim, then Trump is equally guilty as Bill Clinton. Without any actual evidence to back either claim up, and no court case with a guilty verdict, you can either go with Innocent Until Proven Guilty, or your candidate is a child rapist. Pick a side.
    Well he certainly won't go the innocent route, because then he doesn't have an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    ...... Ah, so you will uncritically vote for her without even knowing what you are going to get?

    Then you're more of an idiot and a partisan hack than Mehrunes ever was.
    There's this funny thing where you keep attaching qualities onto me that I've never expressed. It's like you want to be right, you want to be vindicated.

    You're welcome to go back and read my reasons, but it appears as if you don't care, you just want to insult people for being critical of Trump, then turn around and justify being critical in the same if not more pathetic nature of Hillary politics.

    Do complain about people beating the dead Trump horse though, and then be strangely apologetic towards one more pat on the ass for talking about Benghazi and email.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    So, by your logic and reasoning here, Donald Trump is GUILTY AS FUCK for Pedophilia and Rape because of a lawsuit against him for raping a 13 year old? http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/
    She talks on video in detail. That is seeming pretty legit. And she is very poor and kept refiling when technical legal errors came up. And the Trump/Epstein connection is real. I give that the preponderance of the evidence for now. Hopefully the legal process allows her to continue forwards. Child/Rape victims usually don't have the resources to grind through the filings.

    "Epstein likes to tell people that he's a loner, a man who's never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algy View Post
    Clinton is clearly just this all-powerful ruler of the world that controls everything. I've seen claims that she controls the media, controls how other countries act, can get away with crimes like it is nothing, and even kills numerous people that goes against her. That is borderline omnipresence! I guess god really is a woman. Trump had no chance from the beginning!
    Seriously I often wonder about these conspiracy theorists and how "powerful" they think Hillary is.

    If she's really that influential and powerful... shouldn't people a) be scared shitless of saying anything negative about her? and b) WANT someone that powerful and that influential in the White House so they can actually get shit done? Cause if Hillary actually lives up to her conspiracy theory hype, you know she'll be bribing, blackmailing, and threatening key members of congress to get shit through instead of the 8 years of cockblocking Obama dealt with. Granted you may not like her policies... but then we come back to a) be scared shitless of saying anything negative about her.

    But Occam's Razor dictates that Hillary is probably no more powerful/influential than other politicians who've been "playing the game" for decades and have built up a cornucopia of political contacts over the years. She might be slightly above the average but she's certainly not the only one, nor "king of the hill" as it were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    No, we wouldn't. We'd run her out of public office. But she hasn't, and that's what people keep forgetting. She hasn't done anything criminal - and people continue to ignore that basic fact.
    Even most of my Democrat friends know shes a POS but they hate Trump more so they will vote for her. But at least they admit her flaws, we have a group of people on here who do nothing but circle jerk each other saying what a great person she is while pretending to ignore her flaws knowing that just about any other Democrat would be better than her.

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