Colin Kaepernick: I won't stand 'to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses

[bladeXcrasher]

It isn't garbage, it is staring at you right in the face everyday in every major US city, unless you think minorities and blacks somehow enjoy living in impoverished hellholes where criminal activity, drug use, and joblessness fester.

IF you don't understand why they protest then you need to read US history, it's that simple, unless again, if you are a deluded person who actually thinks that minorities in the US enjoy living in the most dangerous, depressing areas of the country.

You make it sound like the trailer park doesn't have the same exact issues. I wish I could find the videos of a girl going to college saying how she was going to move back to the ghetto after school and the rapper that only moved out of the ghetto after his range rover took a bullet inches from his kids car seat.

[TZucchini]

But disagreeing with the Holy Kaepernick deserves social stigma, correct?

"Only white nationalists have a problem with him."

I'll say it again since you didn't get it.

Standing for the anthem should be a choice. Criticizing those that don't stand, for any reason, is wrong.

If you're into flag worship and anthem compliance, move to North Korea.

[petej0]

Talking to a real genius here, actions of the past have real, tangible, consequences in the present. Why do you think AA's have higher rates of incarceration and criminal activity, because they are predisposed to do so? Don't be an idiot.

Because they choose to break the law. No gene, policy or person forces someone to break the law. They break the law because they have a broken moral system. Arresting someone for breaking the law is not racist and does not imply systematic racism.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Because they choose to break the law. No gene, policy or person forces someone to break the law. They break the law because they have a broken moral system. Arresting someone for breaking the law is not racist and does not imply systematic racism.

It does if those laws are applied differently depending on your race and/or riches.

Whites and blacks do drugs at roughly the same rate yet one of those groups makes up a disproportionately large number of our incarcerated for simple drug possession. Whites are also more likely to post bail and afford a proper defense to minimize the impact the charges will have on their life and earning potential.

[Dextroden]

I'll say it again since you didn't get it.

Standing for the anthem should be a choice. Criticizing those that don't stand, for any reason, is wrong.

If you're into flag worship and anthem compliance, move to North Korea.

And if you truly believe you are oppressed, go to Somalia.

[TZucchini]

And if you truly believe you are oppressed, go to Somalia.

For. Any. Reason.

Also, if you're unaware of the racial bias that exists in America's criminal justice system, you should probably read a book.

[Dextroden]

For. Any. Reason.

Also, if you're unaware of the racial bias that exists in America's criminal justice system, you should probably read a book.

Racial bias=/=oppression

Too bad he didn't argue about racial bias. I might have believed he wasn't an overpaid jester looking to draw attention to himself if he didn't repeat the garbage about oppression .

[petej0]

Whites and blacks do drugs at roughly the same rate yet one of those groups makes up a disproportionately large number of our incarcerated for simple drug possession.

Whites and blacks live in totally different areas. Blacks live largely in the inner cities where crime rates are higher. Higher crime crates require a more vigilante and larger police force. A larger population in a smaller geographic area with a larger police force with logically result in more arrests then Whites who live in the suburbs spread out over a larger area and policed at a lower level due to lower crime rates.

Whites are also more likely to post bail and afford a proper defense to minimize the impact the charges will have on their life and earning potential.

That is a product of poverty, not race.

[TZucchini]

Racial bias=/=oppression

Too bad he didn't argue about racial bias. I might have believed he wasn't an overpaid jester looking to draw attention to himself if he didn't repeat the garbage about oppression .

Oppression: Unjust treatment

Racial Bias: Unjust treatment based on race

How are you not getting this?

[Xirrohon]

I think it's disrespectful to demand flag worship. Hell, it's disrespectful to place social stigma on people that do not stand for the anthem, for any reason whatsoever.

Standing for the anthem should be a choice. And placing social pressure on people to do such a thing basically removes the choice.

And in a free society, that's a terrible thing.

Demand flag worship? Really?

You stand up to pay respect to the people that have fought and died for your freedom, the country you live in. The flag is just a symbol. How dont you understand this? Seriously.

[Traveler Voltin]

Demand flag worship? Really?

You stand up to pay respect to the people that have fought and died for your freedom, the country you live in. The flag is just a symbol. How dont you understand this? Seriously.

this person gets it.

[TZucchini]

Demand flag worship? Really?

You stand up to pay respect to the people that have fought and died for your freedom, the country you live in. The flag is just a symbol. How dont you understand this? Seriously.

That's how some people pay respect. Not everyone.

It seems rather strange to me that others would try to dictate how people should pay respect to the military. If they even want to.

But again, if we start stigmatizing people to stand in order to pay respect, then it's no longer a choice.

[Daelak]

Because they choose to break the law. No gene, policy or person forces someone to break the law. They break the law because they have a broken moral system. Arresting someone for breaking the law is not racist and does not imply systematic racism.

Call it broken moral system, call it thug culture or whatever the fuck the new conserva-flavor of the month is regarding minorities, it's all the same. Deliberately made conditions made by society to exclude and isolate a population of human beings from said society. You can't just handwave centuries of discrimination off as "broken moral system" unless you truly don't give a fuck, which has been the mainstream though about minority populations in the US for a very long time.

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Whites and blacks live in totally different areas. Blacks live largely in the inner cities where crime rates are higher. Higher crime crates require a more vigilante and larger police force. A larger population in a smaller geographic area with a larger police force with logically result in more arrests then Whites who live in the suburbs spread out over a larger area and policed at a lower level due to lower crime rates.



That is a product of poverty, not race.

Blacks live in the inner city because white segregationists and racists ensured there was no other place black families could move to for decades, and it still occurs under the guise of socioeconomic factors and credit.

[Independent voter]

If Colin Kaepernick is sitting because he feels passionately about something and he feels that by sitting he'll get a lot more people to hear and ponder his message, that's okay.

It's not like he's moving to Canada, flipping us all off as he goes.

[petej0]

Call it broken moral system, call it thug culture or whatever the fuck the new conserva-flavor of the month is regarding minorities, it's all the same. Deliberately made conditions made by society to exclude and isolate a population of human beings from said society. You can't just handwave centuries of discrimination off as "broken moral system" unless you truly don't give a fuck, which has been the mainstream though about minority populations in the US for a very long time.

It is a broken moral system, there isnt anything forcing blacks today to break laws requiring them to serve jail/prison time. Most inner city youth find more value in learning the lyrics of the newest Kayne, Drake, or Wiz Khalifa album then an education. There is more value in looking hip for your boys, then presentable for an interview.

I get why you want to make excuses for the failures. It is easier to blame it on decades of oppression and white privilege then it is to blame it on ourselves. Tell me who is deliberately spray painting graffeti on the sides of buildings and stop signs? Who are the one vandalizing inner city homes (cuasing home values to drop)? Are white people sneaking in during the night doing it? Who are the ones destroying public housing? Who are the one selling drugs on the street corners? Who are the ones who threaten upstanding neighbors with violence if they rat on local gangs or criminals? Who are the ones who rebel against authority? Who are the ones who view getting a education as slaving to the "White Man"? You can only blame systematic racism for so much, it is 2016 at some point you have to look in the mirror and see who is really holding the black people (as a whole) back.

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Blacks live in the inner city because white segregationists and racists ensured there was no other place black families could move to for decades, and it still occurs under the guise of socioeconomic factors and credit.

I dont give a damn WHY it s like that. The issue is it IS like that. Cops patrol areas with higher crime, so if higher crime is in the inner city you will see more police coverage. More police coverage means higher rates of arrest. It really is as simple as that. There is nothing about living in the inner city which forces you to commit crime.

[TZucchini]

If Colin Kaepernick is sitting because he feels passionately about something and he feels that by sitting he'll get a lot more people to hear and ponder his message, that's okay.

It's not like he's moving to Canada, flipping us all off as he goes.

If he's sitting because he doesn't like the song, and finds it personally repugnant, that's OK too.

[Xirrohon]

That's how some people pay respect. Not everyone.

It seems rather strange to me that others would try to dictate how people should pay respect to the military. If they even want to.

But again, if we start stigmatizing people to stand in order to pay respect, then it's no longer a choice.

He is choosing to be disrespectful. He knows what hes doing.

[TZucchini]

He is choosing to be disrespectful. He knows what hes doing.

Yes. He knows exactly what he's doing. Protesting in a non-violent fashion. Something the Constitution protects, by the way.

I'm going to let you in on a secret. It's completely possible to sit during the national anthem, and support military service members, at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

If you choose to feel disrespected by that act, then perhaps you should look within yourself.

[Kathandira]

He is choosing to be disrespectful. He knows what hes doing.

And it is getting the attention he expected.

The best thing, for anyone who is against what he is doing, is to completely ignore him. If you give him attention, you are only fueling the media fire.

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This pretty much drops the mic on those against what he is doing, in my opinion.

[Kraenen]

I'll say it again since you didn't get it.

Standing for the anthem should be a choice. Criticizing those that don't stand, for any reason, is wrong.

If you're into flag worship and anthem compliance, move to North Korea.

It's not wrong to criticize a choice. That's free speech.

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Oppression: Unjust treatment

Racial Bias: Unjust treatment based on race

How are you not getting this?

Bias itself is not an action. It's a belief.