Whatever happened to Elitist Jerks?

[Iseeyou]

I liked them. Lots of informations on builds and theorycrafting.

I like dedicated person.

[Tyraena]

i guess you forgot about the 14 months of HFC and highmaul was burned through fast by most within a month and the same with BRF, id like you to look at how many raids there was in WOTLK where they had a smaller team than they do now, we had, EOE,NAXX,OS,ulduar,ICC,trial of the crusader, so dnt ever say wod wasnt lacking, it was lacking in every way if a team of around 90 people in wrath can make all those raids but a team of around 250 only make 3 raids for wod thats fucking embaressing

Wrath only had 3 raids of significance. The others were all filler content.

[nextt03]

c'thun was beatable many guilds killed him in patch 1.9 ofc he wasnt a cakewalk and neither was the raid

Yes it was beat in 1.9, but after hotfixes were made.
WoWWiki
"...and the first kills were registered in a matter of hours following one such hot fix."

[RoKPaNda]

Actually, Discord is. Icy-veins is not uptodate most of the time, class discord servers is where most of the theorycrafters for each spec gather.
Wowhead has excellent guides and information these days that is fed by those very theorycrafters.

Not really. Icy-Veins is about as up to date as anything else. Hanging out on Discord is just being a hipster for the sake of it.

[Acidbaron]

The level of moderation was needed because it was a platform created for theorycrafting and so it kept out people repeatedly asking the same thing, it was a forum to read if you wanted to information but not a forum to post question on like "what's the best talent!"

So i had no problem with the moderation there knowing i even got an infraction though never banned from asking something that was answered a few pages back.

There's multiple reasons why i fell apart information became easier to obtain and the ground work was often already done, now you can get information from several sites and you also have the social media streamers if you find "reading is hard!" to get information pre-chewed and barfed back at you.

[Deleted]

Wrath only had 3 raids of significance. The others were all filler content.

filler content like trial of the crusader which had story leading up to icc and a dungeon with it and also a daily hub, wod didnt have no fillers or anything like wrath did, which its why its the worst expansion to date

[Acidbaron]

Not really. Icy-Veins is about as up to date as anything else. Hanging out on Discord is just being a hipster for the sake of it.

The amusing thing is those on discord can often be those writing guides for IV. Shows what people know.

[miffy23]

Not really. Icy-Veins is about as up to date as anything else. Hanging out on Discord is just being a hipster for the sake of it.

Well i can tell you as a fact that icy-veins information was outofdate by several weeks on several occasions for multiple specs i was looking into only a month ago.

And hanging on discord is to be at the source of the information, as sims happen.

[Deleted]

Wtf does that have to do with anything. Stay on topic.

The original point was a question to you. You claim to know what Ion is responsible for. What the extent of his magical designer powers at Blizzard are. You claimed to know about these things. But turns out all you know is 'google his bio'.

In other words, the usual copout when being called to deliver and actually not having a clue. Now you're trying to bait me with personal insults.
Yet you're the one yet to deliver the answer.

But go on.. I'm waiting.. How does design work at Blizzard?

Let's start with this, extremely simple question, which you, without a doubt can shed some expert light on: Does one person call the designs, from ideas to requirements to delivery? Or is design at Blizzard, maybe a product of collaboration?

[miffy23]

The amusing thing is those on discord can often be those writing guides for IV. Shows what people know.

In some cases this is true, in others it is not.
Icy-veins is not consistent overall across all specs, hence I would not recommend it flat out to anyone, only for certain specs.

[Deleted]

well wrath had 12 millions subs at its peak, wod didnt have nothing near it at its peak

Because Cataclysm was carrying the hype and subs from Wrath of the Lich King while Warlords of Draenor had to carry the hype and subs from Mists of Pandaria.
I am not saying WoD was better than Cataclysm, to me they were both failures because I personally did not enjoy them. But I bet there is a ton of people who enjoyed them a lot regardless.

[MasterOfNone]

The original point was a question to you. You claim to know what Ion is responsible for. What the extent of his magical designer powers at Blizzard are. You claimed to know about these things. But turns out all you know is 'google his bio'.

In other words, the usual copout when being called to deliver and actually not having a clue. Now you're trying to bait me with personal insults.
Yet you're the one yet to deliver the answer.

But go on.. I'm waiting.. How does design work at Blizzard?

Let's start with this, extremely simple question, which you, without a doubt can shed some expert light on: Does one person call the designs, from ideas to requirements to delivery? Or is design at Blizzard, maybe a product of collaboration?

That was not the original point. I'm done you can't even remotely understand how to stay on topic.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

That was not the original point. I'm done you can't even remotely understand how to stay on topic.

You ranted about how Ion was brought WoD and you didn't even try to prove it via evidence. You basically did "You do it." That's not how discussions work.

[Veyne]

Wrath only had 3 raids of significance. The others were all filler content.

I'd argue 2, considering Naxx was quite literally a rehash. But it did keep us busy for a while, and it was the first time a lot of us really got to see the place, so I'll give it that. But Ulduar is still one of the greatest (if not the greatest) raid to date, in my opinion.

[Seradi]

Most of them got hired by Blizzard. Hamlet is the latest to join (I think?)

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Lol. Game designers are not programmers. Sheesh, so clueless.

Damn, guess that means no more video guides. I quite enjoyed listening to Hamlet's voice.

[Deleted]

Like which ones?

Paladin.
Icy-Veins is no comparision in quality and quantity to what EJ was.
in fact, ret guide is full of mistakes and now the final answer to any questions concerning stat priority is (after Mod asking for "tech guy/gal to sim" in earlier threads): go sim 4 urself/discord channels.

actually there is no quality theorycrafting forum (pls correct me if iam wrong).

[Gimlix]

The game has lost it's appeal to anyone who enjoyed raiding competition. Those people just stopped playing. Now it's just a sad shell of what it used to be.

People like you should be perm banned from MMO-Champion, this is not usefull at all.
majority of them are hired by Blizzard.

Game is still in a amazing shape.

[D3athsting]

That was some kind of sgt Hartman's boot camp, a misplaced comma or a question already posted 221 pages before and you got an infraction, so glad it's gone, they were probably elitists, for sure they were big jerks!

[Bigbazz]

Forum became over-moderated, causing most valuable posters to slowly retract to other theorycrafting forums. Most casual players followed them.

This, the forums stilfed discussion with over moderation and people just went elsewhere. For a good period a few classes didn't have guides there either, just huge discussion threads. Most people were going there for guides to begin with and other websites were providing so the site killed itself off as a theorycrafting hub.

[Alvito]

As people started to leave their forums started to fall apart and theory crafting started to vanish or be less and less reliable. The site was a great source of information and tools. Sadly like pretty much every other site it died off.

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This, the forums stilfed discussion with over moderation and people just went elsewhere. For a good period a few classes didn't have guides there either, just huge discussion threads. Most people were going there for guides to begin with and other websites were providing so the site killed itself off as a theorycrafting hub.

I do know the last time I went their warriors were the only class that had recent information and that wasn't for all 3 specs.